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02-26-2018 , 09:43 PM

NOquitAllowed

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villian in the hand was down alot now close to even dosent get out of line pre flop but has made play here or there. hero in the hand has been active because table is on the tight side and i have been picking good spots to see bet and win the pot.

otth 1/3 8 handed

hero is in sb wtih jj in a straddle pot.

i open to 25 in sb because of straddle
folds to villian in cutoff who is only calller.

flop is 445r
hero cbets 30 villian flats. (thinking he has 2 solid overs or small pair)
turn comes 5 4455 board hero checks- villian checks back fairly quickly.
river is 2c 24455 board hero bets 50 is this to thin?

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02-26-2018 , 09:53 PM

mikko

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Better spot, to check and bluff catch. Very unlikely he is checking back a boat on turn. So we are likely ahead.

Going for value vs small pairs and even naked Ace is fine. But he will likely bet all his over pairs, and possibly bluff some of his broadway floats.

He may even bet some of his ace high hands, hoping you fold the chop.

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02-26-2018 , 10:16 PM

pgcounty

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Not anywhere close to thin

You can bet turn too

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02-27-2018 , 12:09 AM

Case2

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Pot sizes on each street please.

I assume this is a button straddle?

V doesn't sound particularly aggressive. It sounds like we have been a bit aggressive.

Not a good spot to induce and catch IMO.

Most LLSNL V's make calling errors. We exploit that by betting decent hands and letting them make a calling error. We don't exploit it by hoping that he launches a bluff.

If we had a read that V was aggro, or if we had looked weak/tight maybe.

But mostly we should be betting hands for value here and letting a V from a population that calls too much do his thing and call.

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02-27-2018 , 01:26 AM

Keys Kid

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I like the idea of letting the Villian bluff this hand and coming over the top for value (only if he is agrro in the river, most 1-3 and below players rarely do this). But your value bet isn’t thin at all its pretty standard
IMO. Nice hand.

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02-27-2018 , 02:23 AM

mikko

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Originally Posted by Case2

Hero is capped here. Even if he doesn't know what a capped range is. Most guys realize you likely don't have much of that board in your preflop raising range.

He has shown willing to make a few plays. He is very likely going to bluff or value bet his entire range.

This is almost the most perfect spot to check and induce a bet from his entire range.

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02-27-2018 , 02:51 AM

Koss

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Vs hand is tilted heavily towards pocket pairs between 66-TT. I highly doubt he is calling $30 with overs here. I know you said it in your read, but do you really see people calling big flop bets with no pair no draw? This isn't 2/4 limit, people fold AK to big bets when they miss. I don't like checking to induce OTR because so much of V's range is hands with SDV that will be tickled to check it back. I play this hand probably the exact same way. Maybe even a bit smaller OTR to make sure he doesn't fold. The only time I expect to lose is when I see a very timidly played QQ.

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02-27-2018 , 10:41 AM

NOquitAllowed

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thanks for feed back def think player dependent on trying to bluff catch. result in the hand is villain calls river and turns over a3 for river wheel. When he turned that over my thoughts where not a bad bet I felt I had to go for value from 66-1010 which I felt made up a lot of his range.

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02-27-2018 , 11:01 AM

mikko

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Originally Posted by Koss

I know you said it in your read, but do you really see people calling big flop bets with no pair no draw? .

Yes,

Not only will you see them call with big overcards. They should be calling with big over cards and position. At some % of time. Otherwise they are just folding to often.

OP, nice bet size on flop. See way to many people betting to large on flops in this spot.

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02-27-2018 , 11:08 AM

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ES2

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Originally Posted by NOquitAllowed

I think so. This is probably a good spot to bet small turn and river. I wouldn't even mind just going 30/30/30. Get him to put $90 in with 88 or an A or something.

If you check, people are gonna check the river here with almost all of their preflop/flop calling hands. Maybe 67s bluffs? But the thing is, you are so often playing big hands passively because they are either crushing or being crushed, that bluffing makes little sense.

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02-27-2018 , 01:30 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Assuming we're not committed for stacks at any point, I would play the hand the same way. Pot is $110 on the river, I might go smaller like $35 just to eke out a call versus TT-66 (which are the hands we're targetting). Against a guy who can make moves (especially someone who is capable of flat out bluff raising the river on this board knowing that it is highly unlikely we have a 5/4), I wouldn't hate a river check and hope he bets a busted draw, noting that sometimes he bets his TT-66 for us (so we don't always lose value in this case).

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02-27-2018 , 05:58 PM

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NOquitAllowed

stranger

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I think 35$ bet on river is a better bet because raising here for him with out the nuts is a little wreckless. I like going smaller to get value from more hands on the river like a high instead of just small pairs. Thanks again for all the replies

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