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Old 10-31-2016, 04:17 PM   #126
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Re: Tell me about your bluff today

2/4nl with a $1,000 cap in Amsterdam.

Hero has a nitty image. Been at the table since it opened ~45 minutes ago, been card dead the whole time. I've overlimped one hand on the button, besides that it's been constant folding. Most pots have been raised, a few have been three-bet.

Most of the players at the table are casino regulars, some very strong, others gambly recs.

Main villain is directly to my left. Loose-aggressive German who will call wide and chase draws.

Hero has $950, villain has ~$800.

Villain straddles for $8. three players call, small blind calls, I pick up As3s and decide to capitalize on my nitty image by squeezing. I make it $40. Villain calls, rest of the table folds.

Flop ($112) is 3d5s10c. I bet $50, since that's what I would bet with an overpair on this dry of a board. My plan is to barrel most turns if called, continuing to rep a big overpair.

Villain raises to $100 without much hesitation. I decide to reraise to $250.

Why this bluff is good. It tells a consistent story and capitalizes on my image. Villain is unlikely to have connected well with that flop -- there are few draws, and while 1010 and 55 are in his range, so are 107-A10, JJ, 99, and 88. I also think he's more likely to call with his sets in position and raise with his pairs and pure bluffs. Even though three-betting basically caps my range at AA/KK, villain has no reason to expect I could fold those hands to a shove, so he's unlikely to try a kamikaze bluff against what looks like an overpair.

Why this bluff is bad. Aggressive action theorem states that LLSNL players tend not to fold after they've taken an aggressive action in a round of betting. We're still very deep, so if he calls my bet, I'll be stuck barreling blindly on the turn, possibly while drawing virtually dead. I don't know yet whether he's capable of folding A10/JJ here.
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Old 11-01-2016, 08:20 AM   #127
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I hope this bluff worked out for you but IMO its REALLY bad. The vast majority of people who min raise a flop or turn on a dry board have a monster hand. I would expect him to have a set here maybe 75% of the time. You say hes a LAG so maybe this guy doesn't fit into that category, but you also say he will call wide so I doubt hes folding AT./KT
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Old 11-01-2016, 12:18 PM   #128
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Helloooo! Love this thread!

5/5, 250 - 1500
Hero (800) SB, viewed as tag-lag, has been raising and playing a lot of hands, table is pretty sticky PF, then fit or fold postflop. Hero is in for 1.6k and hasn't had any good spots to make money, so image must be pretty bad.

V UTG+1 covers, loves to l/c pre, pretty sticky also postflop if he connects even remotely.

UTG straddles to 10,
V limps
1x MP limps
1x LP limps
Hero (800) raises to 75 with Ad7c
only V calls

Flop (180) QT6r
Hero (725) bets 100, V calls

Turn (380) QT6 - J
Hero (625) checks, V checks

River (380) QT6J - 9
Hero goes all-in for 625

Thoughts?
I played this hand postflop entirely based on history with Villain.
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Old 11-01-2016, 01:20 PM   #129
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-I don't love squeezing with a weak unsuited ace under these table dynamics and with your image.

-Given villain description, I don't particularly like the flop c-bet either. He's calling with a ton of his range here, and there are very few turn cards that improve your hand.

-River is the perfect barrel card, though. Villain has to be a little concerned that you turned the nuts with AK, tried to trap with it, and now are trying to get paid off by a bare king. I don't expect him to bluff-catch with one-pair or two-pair hands in this spot.
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Old 11-01-2016, 01:41 PM   #130
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Helloooo! Love this thread!

5/5, 250 - 1500
Hero (800) SB, viewed as tag-lag, has been raising and playing a lot of hands, table is pretty sticky PF, then fit or fold postflop. Hero is in for 1.6k and hasn't had any good spots to make money, so image must be pretty bad.

V UTG+1 covers, loves to l/c pre, pretty sticky also postflop if he connects even remotely.

UTG straddles to 10,
V limps
1x MP limps
1x LP limps
Hero (800) raises to 75 with Ad7c
only V calls

Flop (180) QT6r
Hero (725) bets 100, V calls

Turn (380) QT6 - J
Hero (625) checks, V checks

River (380) QT6J - 9
Hero goes all-in for 625

Thoughts?
I played this hand postflop entirely based on history with Villain.
Hi, I think V had AQ suited:
He ease-called your 100 at the flop with top pair top kicker,
then you didn't mentioned Turn and River seeds but if the turn gave him the 4/5 runner runner top flush he could have checked and wishing it, but didn't come at the river so he
gave up against your all-in. Nice played btw!
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:28 PM   #131
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-I don't love squeezing with a weak unsuited ace under these table dynamics and with your image.

-Given villain description, I don't particularly like the flop c-bet either. He's calling with a ton of his range here, and there are very few turn cards that improve your hand.

-River is the perfect barrel card, though. Villain has to be a little concerned that you turned the nuts with AK, tried to trap with it, and now are trying to get paid off by a bare king. I don't expect him to bluff-catch with one-pair or two-pair hands in this spot.
Those are exactly my thoughts after analysing the hand. I was definitely playing too many hands (little tilted), but I'm happy with my play on turn and river.
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Old 11-01-2016, 03:38 PM   #132
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2/5 $500 eff

I haz the tag abc image!

Villain is otb, seems tight/slightly nitty, thinking guy

4 limps i check bb w/black 104o

Flop 223dd checks around
Turn 5d i lead $15 villain is only caller
River Js i bet $75
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Old 11-01-2016, 07:45 PM   #133
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Hero has great image over 4 hours, only shown 2 hands with one being the nuts and other being a correct jam vs AJ with AQ and getting sucked out on with J turn. Been taking down pots without showndown. Probably viewed as TAG, tighter then rest of table.

Hero straddles on BTN for $6, folds to UTG+1 who calls along with UTG+2, folds to hero who bumps it up to $31, only UTG+2 calls.

Both players were tight, with UTG+2's game being easily readable with bet sizing tells. I honestly expected to take it down preflop.

Flop: KJ3

UTG+2 checks, hero bets 40, UTG+2 folds.

Simple cbet and hope to take it down, if not probably shutting down. May be a simple cbet bluff but I'm experimenting with button straddle and pulling off a decent bluff with T4o made me appreciate the new opportunities being able to button straddle could give me.
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Old 11-01-2016, 09:10 PM   #134
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I hope this bluff worked out for you but IMO its REALLY bad. The vast majority of people who min raise a flop or turn on a dry board have a monster hand. I would expect him to have a set here maybe 75% of the time. You say hes a LAG so maybe this guy doesn't fit into that category, but you also say he will call wide so I doubt hes folding AT./KT
Huh, interesting. The bluff did work, and honestly I almost didn't post it because it felt too obvious/basic to me.

Min-raising the turn is often a set in this spot. But a loose, gambley player against a perceived nit, 200+ bbs deep? I think the min-raise is meant to fold my AK-type hands, and to seize control/force me to announce my AA/KK/QQ-type hands.

If he shoves, I'm obviously folding. If he calls, I'm obviously in a terrible spot. But I think my line has effectively signaled a stubborn overpair that wants to gii, and that his line has a ton of 1-pair hands in it.
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Old 11-02-2016, 11:21 AM   #135
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Huh, interesting. The bluff did work, and honestly I almost didn't post it because it felt too obvious/basic to me.

Min-raising the turn is often a set in this spot. But a loose, gambley player against a perceived nit, 200+ bbs deep? I think the min-raise is meant to fold my AK-type hands, and to seize control/force me to announce my AA/KK/QQ-type hands.

If he shoves, I'm obviously folding. If he calls, I'm obviously in a terrible spot. But I think my line has effectively signaled a stubborn overpair that wants to gii, and that his line has a ton of 1-pair hands in it.
If he will min raise with one pair, then your line is great. Very read based. IME a min raise is normally a big hand though.
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Old 11-02-2016, 11:31 AM   #136
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If he will min raise with one pair, then your line is great. Very read based. IME a min raise is normally a big hand though.
Good point. I probably didn't provide a clear enough villain description. Against a lot of LLSNL opponents, I agree that the flop min-raise is pretty nutted. But against LAGs who like to see a lot of flops and outplay people, I think it's heavily weighted towards one-pair hands.
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Old 11-02-2016, 11:36 AM   #137
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2/5 MS

V is from out of town, appears to understand the game well in his table talk. Knows hero is a reg but hero hasn't played many hands with him so far. He plays a super wide range pre, limping hands like J6d and similar bad but suited hands. However he has played very snug post flop. About an hour earlier we played a limped pot and I led $20 on a J56hhh board, he raised to $60 and got cold called by someone in late position while I folded. On a blank turn he check folded to the cold caller's $70 bet and showed 107hh. Stated that he knew the other guy had a flush.

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I straddle button to $10, V calls from BB there are two limps and I check As2d. Flop J54sss. Checks to me on the button and I bet $20, V calls others fold. Turn is Qx he checks I bet $50 he calls. River is Kx and V leads $150. I raise $550 and he open mucks K7ss.

Why this bluff is good: V has proven that he is able to make big laydowns, he has a lot of small flushes in his range, and I can credibly rep the nuts.

Why this bluff is bad: Generally Vs do not lay down flushes and I'm repping pretty much only the nuts with this raise.
Obv this worked, but would you really not be raising a suited ace when limped to you on a button straddle?
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Old 11-02-2016, 12:21 PM   #138
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Hero has great image over 4 hours, only shown 2 hands with one being the nuts and other being a correct jam vs AJ with AQ and getting sucked out on with J turn. Been taking down pots without showndown. Probably viewed as TAG, tighter then rest of table.

Hero straddles on BTN for $6, folds to UTG+1 who calls along with UTG+2, folds to hero who bumps it up to $31, only UTG+2 calls.

Both players were tight, with UTG+2's game being easily readable with bet sizing tells. I honestly expected to take it down preflop.

Flop: KJ3

UTG+2 checks, hero bets 40, UTG+2 folds.

Simple cbet and hope to take it down, if not probably shutting down. May be a simple cbet bluff but I'm experimenting with button straddle and pulling off a decent bluff with T4o made me appreciate the new opportunities being able to button straddle could give me.
I'm assuming we have a piece of cheese preflop? If so, I wouldn't really get too out-of-line here since there is a good chance people are limping hands they ain't folding (or might even be planning to limp/reraise) due to straddlers often raising their Button straddle.

Flop cbet (with I'm assuming air) is fine since it will take it down a lot (not convinced a gutshot is going to call all that often, small pairs will have a hard time continuing on this board).

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Old 11-02-2016, 05:40 PM   #139
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Can't believe that guy folded K7ss on a no pair 3flush board... excellent bluff!


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Old 11-02-2016, 06:17 PM   #140
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2/5...

3 fish limp and I make it $30 with 7d2d OTB. Cuz everyone likes to win with 72. 1 fish in MP calls.

Flop ($75) Ad Qs 4c. He check/calls $35.
Turn ($145) Jh. Check/check
River ($145) Kh. He checks. I bet $105.

(Honestly dont remember the order of the cards but Ace on flop and runner runner 4 card straight on board at river with AKQJ out there)
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Old 11-03-2016, 11:06 AM   #141
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2/5...

3 fish limp and I make it $30 with 7d2d OTB. Cuz everyone likes to win with 72. 1 fish in MP calls.

Flop ($75) Ad Qs 4c. He check/calls $35.
Turn ($145) Jh. Check/check
River ($145) Kh. He checks. I bet $105.

(Honestly dont remember the order of the cards but Ace on flop and runner runner 4 card straight on board at river with AKQJ out there)
Is there a reason to get so out-of-line preflop at what looks like a fish filled table?

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Old 11-03-2016, 11:20 AM   #142
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Is there a reason to get so out-of-line preflop at what looks like a fish filled table?

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This would be a standard raise for me with a suited connector in this spot, but I was card dead for a long while and got tired of waiting. Cant take advantage of a fish filled table if you never get in a hand. Clearly not standard or necessary though.
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Old 11-03-2016, 11:30 AM   #143
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This would be a standard raise for me with a suited connector in this spot, but I was card dead for a long while and got tired of waiting. Cant take advantage of a fish filled table if you never get in a hand. Clearly not standard or necessary though.
The best way to take advantage of a fish filled table is to patiently wait for your spots; you unnecessarily forced it here and it's very questionable whether this was a profitable move (especially if things ended up going multiway, which after 3 fish limping I would expect more often than not).

Basically what you're attempting to argue is that raising literally ATC on the Button against 3 fish limpers is a profitable move, and I'm not convinced that is the case.

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Old 11-03-2016, 11:38 AM   #144
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2/5...

3 fish limp and I make it $30 with 7d2d OTB. Cuz everyone likes to win with 72. 1 fish in MP calls.

Flop ($75) Ad Qs 4c. He check/calls $35.
Turn ($145) Jh. Check/check
River ($145) Kh. He checks. I bet $105.

(Honestly dont remember the order of the cards but Ace on flop and runner runner 4 card straight on board at river with AKQJ out there)
I like everything after the flop. If you're raising with 72, you need to c-bet an Ace high board when you have zero showdown value. Turn is a clear check to give up on almost all rivers, since if V thinks he's ahead on the flop he's unlikely to change his mind on this turn. River is a good bluff and I like your sizing. Not sure how much Tx you have in your range, but on 4 to a straight I'm not sure how much it matters.

Only issue I see (other than pre-flop) is that you don't seem to have much of a read on the fish. If he's a station then I like river much less.
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The best way to take advantage of a fish filled table is to patiently wait for your spots; you unnecessarily forced it here and it's very questionable whether this was a profitable move (especially if things ended up going multiway, which after 3 fish limping I would expect more often than not).

Basically what you're attempting to argue is that raising literally ATC on the Button against 3 fish limpers is a profitable move, and I'm not convinced that is the case.

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Im not arguing that raising ATC here is profitable at all. I do raise suited connectors in position profitably all the time even without being deep like most people here think is necessary, but this hand was just me trying to make something happen. I got the right board for it to work. Thats all.
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The best way to take advantage of a fish filled table is to patiently wait for your spots; you unnecessarily forced it here and it's very questionable whether this was a profitable move (especially if things ended up going multiway, which after 3 fish limping I would expect more often than not).



Basically what you're attempting to argue is that raising literally ATC on the Button against 3 fish limpers is a profitable move, and I'm not convinced that is the case.



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Easy on the heavy strat talk! We all know fold pre but this thread is a safe zone please


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Old 11-03-2016, 11:05 PM   #147
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Cant take advantage of a fish filled table if you never get in a hand.
Overlimp then.
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Old 11-03-2016, 11:24 PM   #148
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You want me to overlimp 72s? LOL If Im going to goof around and play it, Im going to raise.
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That depends. If I'm in the CO, then I prefer you fold it.
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Obv this worked, but would you really not be raising a suited ace when limped to you on a button straddle?
To be fair I'm raising most of my aces on the button, suited or not. I probably check A2/A3 suited and A2-6o. So yes pretty narrow, but I doubt V's thought process went that deep.
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