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Old 10-19-2016, 05:53 PM   #51
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$2/$5

UTG limps. I complete the SB with Ah3h. BB raises to $25. UTG calls and I call.

BB is one of the top 5 whales in my room...and its a very big room. He also thinks Im a complete nit.

Flop ($75) 7d6d2d. Checked around.
Turn ($75) Td. I check. He bets $30. UTG folds.

BB is very aggro so he never checks this flop with a big diamond. I check raise to $70 and he instafolds the 9d face up.
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Old 10-20-2016, 03:00 AM   #52
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Table was really loose/passive. I opened to $12 with 57 in the CO after two limpers, got 5 callers.

Flop was ($60)
KJ4

Checks around, turn is
KJ48

Checks to me I bet $35, 1 caller.

River ($130):
KJ482

Checks to me I bet $45 V folds.
This is an absolutely terrible turn card to bet. River bet is good though.
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Old 10-20-2016, 03:16 AM   #53
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1/3 open $20 from MP with AQhh, LAG three bets to $70 from CO, I call. Flop Kh-10x-7h I lead $100 V calls. Turn 8x I lead $230 V calls. River 6x I lead $700 V calls, shows 64hh. FeelsBadMan
LMAO! Such a great hand history. Did he perhaps pick up a live tell?

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All of these are huge spew so far keep up the good work team :thumbsup:
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Old 10-20-2016, 08:32 AM   #54
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Table is super passive/loose pre flop. Lot's of calling OOP and only 1 or 2 guys who are taking advantage of this and 3betting in position (I have position on both thinking players)

Super fish is 2 players to my right.

Villain newish to table, but notices how crazy table is and seems to be a thinking player. Definitely doesn't have me marked as a fish (not yet at least)

Hero UTG raises to $20 w/ 42 (standard was anywhere from $20-30 with multiple people straddling from button anywhere from $15-$50 yes this game was amazing)

5 callers, 6 to the flop.

$102 Flop AK6 BB checks, hero Leads $75 folds to OMC on button who calls super fish folds.

$252 Turn AK69 Hero bets $175 OMC tanks a bit looks like he wants to shove then calls.

River $602 AK69K Hero waits like 10 seconds and says all in throwing 1 chip in the middle ($225 was my shove villain barely has me covered)
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Old 10-20-2016, 08:35 AM   #55
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2/5 $495 Effective

Table is super passive/loose pre flop. Lot's of calling OOP and only 1 or 2 guys who are taking advantage of this and 3betting in position (I have position on both thinking players)

Super fish is 2 players to my right.

Villain newish to table, but notices how crazy table is and seems to be a thinking player. Definitely doesn't have me marked as a fish (not yet at least)

Hero UTG raises to $20 w/ 42 (standard was anywhere from $20-30 with multiple people straddling from button anywhere from $15-$50 yes this game was amazing)

5 callers, 6 to the flop.

$102 Flop AK6 BB checks, hero Leads $75 folds to OMC on button who calls super fish folds.

$252 Turn AK69 Hero bets $175 OMC tanks a bit looks like he wants to shove then calls.

River $602 AK69K Hero waits like 10 seconds and says all in throwing 1 chip in the middle ($225 was my shove villain barely has me covered)
I guess this worked if you posted it, but this is one of the ugliest things Ive seen in a long time. We need to invent a new word because "spew" inst strong enough.
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Old 10-20-2016, 08:36 AM   #56
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2/5 $495 Effective



Table is super passive/loose pre flop. Lot's of calling OOP and only 1 or 2 guys who are taking advantage of this and 3betting in position (I have position on both thinking players)



Super fish is 2 players to my right.



Villain newish to table, but notices how crazy table is and seems to be a thinking player. Definitely doesn't have me marked as a fish (not yet at least)



Hero UTG raises to $20 w/ 42 (standard was anywhere from $20-30 with multiple people straddling from button anywhere from $15-$50 yes this game was amazing)



5 callers, 6 to the flop.



$102 Flop AK6 BB checks, hero Leads $75 folds to OMC on button who calls super fish folds.



$252 Turn AK69 Hero bets $175 OMC tanks a bit looks like he wants to shove then calls.



River $602 AK69K Hero waits like 10 seconds and says all in throwing 1 chip in the middle ($225 was my shove villain barely has me covered)


Wouldn't be at all surprised if V had AK. He's an OMC and AK is a drawing hand...

10 for effort though
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Old 10-20-2016, 08:37 AM   #57
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I guess this worked if you posted it, but this is one of the ugliest things Ive seen in a long time. We need to invent a new word because "spew" inst strong enough.
Lol, can't argue with this.
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Old 10-20-2016, 11:34 AM   #58
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2/5

V is 35 yo Asian man. Pretty tight. Limping some in early position but mainly raising, usually to $15 in unopened pots. H has 3-bet V twice and he folded. V later stacked H with set over set. Effective stacks $750.

V raises to 20 UTG+1. One caller. H calls on button with KhQh.

Flop ($60) - Th5h3c. V bets $30. Caller folds, H raises to $100. V thinks and calls. I'm now ranging V on over pairs, maybe ATs (maybe not given slightly larger pre flop sizing) and maybe TT (though that sometimes 3-bets flop).

Turn ($260) Ac. V checks. H bets $200. V folds.

Why it was a good bluff (focused on turn) - H has pretty much all combos of sets in his range, as well as AT and all combos of Ahxh. H has 10 outs to the effective nuts unless V has Ahxh, and really the only combo left of that is AhJh given that Th is on the board and H has K and Q of hearts. V should fold 3 combos each of KK and QQ and 9 combos of JJ. He continues with 3 combos of AA, 3 combos of TT, 2 combos of ATs and 1 combo of AhJh, and all the value combos would sometimes lead turn so should be discounted some, while all combos of KK-JJ would check turn. Turn sizing leverages V's whole stack since H can now shove river for less than a pot sized bet.

Why it's a bad bluff - H's image isn't great having lost a big pot to V earlier (though it was a cooler) and H has been active. If V can have ATo here that gives him 7 more combos that call turn.

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Old 10-20-2016, 11:45 AM   #59
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That is a good hh
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Old 10-20-2016, 12:18 PM   #60
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I don't like it much. I'd much rather you call the flop and then given the turn card bomb turn.

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2/5 $495 Effective

Table is super passive/loose pre flop. Lot's of calling OOP and only 1 or 2 guys who are taking advantage of this and 3betting in position (I have position on both thinking players)

Super fish is 2 players to my right.

Villain newish to table, but notices how crazy table is and seems to be a thinking player. Definitely doesn't have me marked as a fish (not yet at least)

Hero UTG raises to $20 w/ 42 (standard was anywhere from $20-30 with multiple people straddling from button anywhere from $15-$50 yes this game was amazing)

5 callers, 6 to the flop.

I've certainly opened with worse hands from UTG but at a loose passive table this is obviously a recipe for disaster.

On an aside, no clue how you have position on the 2 thinking players from UTG when the super fish is 2 to your right
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Old 10-20-2016, 01:13 PM   #61
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1/2 Villain is an older asian reg who's just recently come to the table. Seems pretty aggro in the few hands I've seen.

Effective stacks ~ $250

Hero limps QdTd in EP, 2 more limpers, V $10 from BB, Hero calls, 1 limper calls

Flop $30
9TJr

V $25, Hero calls, 1 fold

Turn $80
3

V checks, Hero $60

I'm pretty sure I hate this. In game I'm thinking that V is giving up and I have good equity with my pair + OESD so I can semi-bluff this. Plus this texture is really better for my limp/call range than his open range.

I dislike it because I don't have enough history to know if V will c-bet into 2 callers with AQ/AK here. I also think he's check/calling QQ/KK/AA here a lot on this board. He also has a bunch of pair + OESD and 2-pair hands here.
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Old 10-20-2016, 01:15 PM   #62
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The thinking players sandwiched the whale all 3 were on my right.
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Old 10-20-2016, 02:37 PM   #63
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1/2 Villain is an older asian reg who's just recently come to the table. Seems pretty aggro in the few hands I've seen.

Effective stacks ~ $250

Hero limps QdTd in EP, 2 more limpers, V $10 from BB, Hero calls, 1 limper calls

Flop $30
9TJr

V $25, Hero calls, 1 fold

Turn $80
3

V checks, Hero $60

I'm pretty sure I hate this. In game I'm thinking that V is giving up and I have good equity with my pair + OESD so I can semi-bluff this. Plus this texture is really better for my limp/call range than his open range.

I dislike it because I don't have enough history to know if V will c-bet into 2 callers with AQ/AK here. I also think he's check/calling QQ/KK/AA here a lot on this board. He also has a bunch of pair + OESD and 2-pair hands here.
I don't like this one because if he folds, you probably weren't bluffing. He's probably calling with Jx hands, since thos are either TPTK or have a gut shot. If he shoves you probably have to call but could be dead or drawing to a chop. I'd take the free card and look to bink or get to showdown cheaply.
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Old 10-20-2016, 03:48 PM   #64
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Not sure if this was a bluff or not.

7 handed 1/2 game. ES w V is about $400.

H raises to 10 UTG w ATs. 3 callers. V raises to 45 from SB. BB folds and H raises to 140. Folds to V who asks how much H has behind, then folds.

V is a good reg and this is a great squeeze spot for him. I block AA and AK, and am committing myself in V's eyes and putting him in a shove/fold spot where my range is uncapped. Also, no one 4-bets as a bluff which I think increases FE v a good villain. On the other hand, I may just be ahead here if V is squeezing light and it's not a bluff.
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Old 10-20-2016, 07:44 PM   #65
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Not sure if this was a bluff or not.

7 handed 1/2 game. ES w V is about $400.

H raises to 10 UTG w ATs. 3 callers. V raises to 45 from SB. BB folds and H raises to 140. Folds to V who asks how much H has behind, then folds.

V is a good reg and this is a great squeeze spot for him. I block AA and AK, and am committing myself in V's eyes and putting him in a shove/fold spot where my range is uncapped. Also, no one 4-bets as a bluff which I think increases FE v a good villain. On the other hand, I may just be ahead here if V is squeezing light and it's not a bluff.
If you bet second nut low and villain folds the nut low, does that mean you weren't bluffing?
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Old 10-20-2016, 09:58 PM   #66
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If you bet second nut low and villain folds the nut low, does that mean you weren't bluffing?


Do you know villain has the nut low? Probably not, and therefore, probably not


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Old 10-20-2016, 10:02 PM   #67
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If you bet second nut low and villain folds the nut low, does that mean you weren't bluffing?
Of course not, but i may actually be ahead of his 3-bet/fold range.
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Old 10-20-2016, 10:17 PM   #68
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Guessing what browni was getting at is the idea that when you turn a hand into a bluff you are attacking a range and therefore when villain folds a portion of that range the fact that some of the static hands may be behind (A9) and some may be ahead (AJ) you are still bluffing vs his range and prefer folds over calls.

Also 4b sizing is too big and 3bets from the sb vs an utg raise are usually very strong.
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Old 10-21-2016, 02:12 AM   #69
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This is my new favorite thread and a great place to document my spew.

V and H have been chatting and having a few beers over the course of the evening. Average tight pre, not particularly aggressive post. Trying to make hands and not creative. Rec player.

V raises to 20 pre. 2 callers, H calls from CO with T9d.

Flop Q93 all spades. V checks his cards (which to H means one big spade). Folds to H who raises to 140. V thinks and calls.

Turn (360) 5h. V checks. H believes he's on a naked spade draw and needs to bet big. H bets 400. V tanks...

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Old 10-21-2016, 03:28 AM   #70
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This is my new favorite thread and a great place to document my spew.

V and H have been chatting and having a few beers over the course of the evening. Average tight pre, not particularly aggressive post. Trying to make hands and not creative. Rec player.

V raises to 20 pre. 2 callers, H calls from CO with T9d.

Flop Q93 all spades. V checks his cards (which to H means one big spade). Folds to H who raises to 140. V thinks and calls.

Turn (360) 5h. V checks. H believes he's on a naked spade draw and needs to bet big. H bets 400. V tanks...
Did V bet something on the flop?

I don't really understand your logic in this hand. If you think V has a big spade, but not a flush/set, he is still likely calling and he has a lot of equity against you. Why not take a card with what is likely the best hand and a pretty good idea of which cards you like?

Why can't he have a hand like AA, AQ, etc?

Why do you need to bet so big?

If you really think V is on naked spades then it's not a bluff and you want him to call.

I think the last hand I posted was well played, so now I'll post my own spew.

Villain opens to $20 and gets two calls, Hero looks down at 74 and decides to squeeze to $100. Villain calls and one of the cold-callers calls. Oops.

My reasoning? The pre-flop opener was pretty deep with me, and he seemed to have a fold button, at least post-flop. The table had not seen very many 3-bets and I had a pretty tight, clean image. The other two players were pretty loose with wide cold-calling ranges, so I figured I usually only have to worry about the pfr.

Anyway, I was planning on pretty much giving up unless I flop some equity, but the flop is 832, which misses everybody's ranges pretty hard, so I decide to bet $165 and it gets two folds.
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Old 10-21-2016, 08:37 AM   #71
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1/2NL eff stacks 100bb 7 players, all playing boring and tight after 2 fish busted and left.

Hero is BTN with 76o. UTG limp, everyone else limps, hero limps BTN. Flop is AKQr, everyone checks. Turn is Tr, everyone checks. River 2r, everyone checks.

I bet £5 into £14, everyone instafolds, reg says "T always a T". Two other regs agree. I show 7 high. Reg laughs and calls me a dick. I say "it's my biggest bluff tonight". I'm not lying.

Two hands later I stack a newly seated fish on JJ with my AA in a 250bb pot allin preflop and then I immediately get up and leave. Reg says "you really are a dick" - one of his better reads of the evening
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Did V bet something on the flop?

I don't really understand your logic in this hand. If you think V has a big spade, but not a flush/set, he is still likely calling and he has a lot of equity against you. Why not take a card with what is likely the best hand and a pretty good idea of which cards you like?

Why can't he have a hand like AA, AQ, etc?

Why do you need to bet so big?

If you really think V is on naked spades then it's not a bluff and you want him to call.

I think the last hand I posted was well played, so now I'll post my own spew.

Villain opens to $20 and gets two calls, Hero looks down at 74 and decides to squeeze to $100. Villain calls and one of the cold-callers calls. Oops.

My reasoning? The pre-flop opener was pretty deep with me, and he seemed to have a fold button, at least post-flop. The table had not seen very many 3-bets and I had a pretty tight, clean image. The other two players were pretty loose with wide cold-calling ranges, so I figured I usually only have to worry about the pfr.

Anyway, I was planning on pretty much giving up unless I flop some equity, but the flop is 832, which misses everybody's ranges pretty hard, so I decide to bet $165 and it gets two folds.
When theres a $20 raise and 2 calls....and then 2 of those guys call a 3 bet to $100....arent you putting at least one of them on TT+? Or do you think the $165 will convince them you have AA-QQ and lay it down?
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When theres a $20 raise and 2 calls....and then 2 of those guys call a 3 bet to $100....arent you putting at least one of them on TT+? Or do you think the $165 will convince them you have AA-QQ and lay it down?
To be perfectly honest I was button clicking in that hand a bit. Pre-flop I decided that they weren't calling 3-bets too wide, post-flop I decided they were calling pre-flops too loosely and I could take it down enough with a bet

In reality the latter was probably true and the squeeze was spew. However, I've noticed that a lot of players become much more weak/tight when the pots get big and are unwilling to continue in big 3! pots without strong hands, so maybe the line as a whole is not completely terrible against many players.

If they only continue with 99 or better then my line is probably profitable.
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Not sure if this was a bluff or not.

7 handed 1/2 game. ES w V is about $400.

H raises to 10 UTG w ATs. 3 callers. V raises to 45 from SB. BB folds and H raises to 140. Folds to V who asks how much H has behind, then folds.

V is a good reg and this is a great squeeze spot for him. I block AA and AK, and am committing myself in V's eyes and putting him in a shove/fold spot where my range is uncapped. Also, no one 4-bets as a bluff which I think increases FE v a good villain. On the other hand, I may just be ahead here if V is squeezing light and it's not a bluff.
I don't think V is squeezing really light here, though it depends on the caller and overcallers tendencies. Mostly though 1/2 players are sticky so need a reall big incentive to fold preflop.

UTG 7 handed is still fairly tight, pot is 43 when it gets to OOP V and he only raises to 45 with 355 behind so it isn't a great line as a bluff: he doesn't look comitted, he can expect to get called by pairs and big cards and big SC. I think it is most likely V has value below KK and doesn't want it hugely multiway OOP so he raises moderate sized in an attempt to go HU vs hero with an equity advantage.

TT+ AQ+ is 48 combos
KK+ is 9 combos
V is potentially folding 39/48=80% of the time.

Your hand is crushed by V range so, if you had read him as on a broad value range where he could nevertheless fold a lot then this is a great bluff in my opinion.
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2/5 $495 Effective

Table is super passive/loose pre flop. Lot's of calling OOP and only 1 or 2 guys who are taking advantage of this and 3betting in position (I have position on both thinking players)

Super fish is 2 players to my right.

Villain newish to table, but notices how crazy table is and seems to be a thinking player. Definitely doesn't have me marked as a fish (not yet at least)

Hero UTG raises to $20 w/ 42 (standard was anywhere from $20-30 with multiple people straddling from button anywhere from $15-$50 yes this game was amazing)

5 callers, 6 to the flop.

$102 Flop AK6 BB checks, hero Leads $75 folds to OMC on button who calls super fish folds.

$252 Turn AK69 Hero bets $175 OMC tanks a bit looks like he wants to shove then calls.

River $602 AK69K Hero waits like 10 seconds and says all in throwing 1 chip in the middle ($225 was my shove villain barely has me covered)
Great Scott!!!

This is completey insane! Literally every decision point is total madness!

Even if this worked, please never do it ever again.
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