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Old 10-18-2016, 11:56 AM   #26
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Re: Tell me about your bluff today

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Hero MP raise to $10 with KdQs
9 5 3
Checks to Villain, bets $35
Hero raises to $90
Pot ($255) Turn T
Hero bets $120
Villain calls
Pot (~$500) River 7

Hero bets all-in ~$350
Villain tank folds, says "I can't go broke with one pair"
I hate this. Like you said pick a bluff spot where you have a little more equity. You rep exactly nothing but a set here and I think villain should have looked you up.

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wow dirty call by villain - love your effort though. i unilaterally rate this bluff 6/10, with potential to be 9/10 had you raised turn and fired river.
Not sure how to raise the turn when V checks OOP? Villain should have folded. He's well behind my range here. I feel like his turn check caps his range where I'm closer to uncapped. I think if we'd had more history it would work with my image. V turned out to be a good and observant player who is a reg that normally plays 2/5.
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Old 10-18-2016, 12:16 PM   #27
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Re: Tell me about your bluff today

1/2

Hero (BB) has a winning tight image, only shown winners.

V (BTN) has a tight, I felt nitty image

300 effective

Several limpers, BTN raises to $12, hero calls with 65s, all other limpers fold (unexpected for the table)

Flop: T76r

Hero checks, button cbets 15, hero calls

Turn: 4r

Hero checks, button bets 25, hero c/r 85 to rep sets/straight vs buttons OP/TP hand.

Button folds claiming JJ
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Old 10-18-2016, 12:25 PM   #28
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Re: Tell me about your bluff today

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1/2

Hero (BB) has a winning tight image, only shown winners.

V (BTN) has a tight, I felt nitty image

300 effective

Several limpers, BTN raises to $12, hero calls with 65s, all other limpers fold (unexpected for the table)

Flop: T76r

Hero checks, button cbets 15, hero calls

Turn: 4r

Hero checks, button bets 25, hero c/r 85 to rep sets/straight vs buttons OP/TP hand.

Button folds claiming JJ
Nice hand. Great turn sizing allows you to leverage his whole stack, because it implies you're shoving river, and obviously you have a ton of outs if called.

How do you precede on river if called? I'd generally shove if I improve and x/f if not, but do you ever continue with a river shove if called and you whiff the river? Are there any cards you would bluff on river? I could see bluffing if a 9 hits, don't think I'd bluff an overcard since it's hard for us to have overcards here and V could have hit two pair.
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Old 10-18-2016, 06:54 PM   #29
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1/2

Hero (BB) has a winning tight image, only shown winners.

V (BTN) has a tight, I felt nitty image

300 effective

Several limpers, BTN raises to $12, hero calls with 65s, all other limpers fold (unexpected for the table)

Flop: T76r

Hero checks, button cbets 15, hero calls

Turn: 4r

Hero checks, button bets 25, hero c/r 85 to rep sets/straight vs buttons OP/TP hand.

Button folds claiming JJ
This one qualifies as a nice semi-bluff. Not sure if OP was including semi-bluffs when he started the thread or not.
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Old 10-18-2016, 07:50 PM   #30
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This one qualifies as a nice semi-bluff. Not sure if OP was including semi-bluffs when he started the thread or not.
i started the thread as an idea, in the hopes that it is appreciated and supported by the community. i can't keep it going by myself or really "regulate" it either.

that being said i have no problem with people posting semi-bluffs, but i may or may not give it an arbitrary rating!
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Old 10-18-2016, 08:30 PM   #31
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This one qualifies as a nice semi-bluff. Not sure if OP was including semi-bluffs when he started the thread or not.


It's only a semi bluff because i got a card that improved my actual hand, in reality any card that was T or lower, I would have c/r because my range was smashing this flop and I put him squarely on an OP if he cbet turn
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Old 10-18-2016, 09:17 PM   #32
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It's only a semi bluff because i got a card that improved my actual hand, in reality any card that was T or lower, I would have c/r because my range was smashing this flop and I put him squarely on an OP if he cbet turn
Of course. If you didnt get a card that improved your hand, and still check raised it wouldve been a bluff. I wasnt implying you wouldnt have bluffed a different turn card. I was just pointing out that your check raise is trying to take down the pot now with nothing by repping a huge hand that you dont really have, but even if he doesnt fold you still have a decent number of outs to win the pot which is the definition of a semi-bluff.
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Old 10-19-2016, 03:00 AM   #33
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Wow, sone pretty good spew here lol.
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:09 AM   #34
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Nice hand. Great turn sizing allows you to leverage his whole stack, because it implies you're shoving river, and obviously you have a ton of outs if called.



How do you precede on river if called? I'd generally shove if I improve and x/f if not, but do you ever continue with a river shove if called and you whiff the river? Are there any cards you would bluff on river? I could see bluffing if a 9 hits, don't think I'd bluff an overcard since it's hard for us to have overcards here and V could have hit two pair.


In theory anything T- should help us, that is practically 2/3 of the deck, and we should be betting on them pretty regularly with our entire c/r range here because he shouldn't have > 1 pair basically ever and we should have > 1 pair a ton.

In reality though, the problem is that if he calls the c/r he just might be one of those players who can't fold and an overpair despite the "obvious" sign that he's beat.

In game I probably bet, but I think I'd probably be diluting myself to think he folds there with JJ+. Which kinda leads into what should the sizing be if he calls and we bink a straight, trips or 2P

Fwiw, he asked me later what I had and I told him I flopped a straight, which is when he told me he folded JJ
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:34 AM   #35
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Re: Tell me about your bluff today

Lol @ Johnny getting hate for posting the first legitimate bluff itt.

FWIW I think this thread would have traction/merit if it had a format.

Hand history
Why I bluffed
Why bluff is good
Why bluff is bad

Just my .02
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:37 AM   #36
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I dont see any hate for Johnny here at all. I said it was a semi-bluff and MIB211 said "Nice Hand" and is asking him about his thought process.
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:44 AM   #37
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Re: Tell me about your bluff today

Would be interested to know the extent to which people think this is spew:

1/2 ~220 effective

My image is very tight, I have been card dead for hours, only hand I have played of note was to squeeze an open and 3 calls with KK, I took it down and didn't show.

Passive player in MP limps in, thinking student/reg in CO raises to 15, I look down at 6 5 in the SB and decide to capitalise on my image and COs sizing tell (pretty sure he makes it ~12 with strong hands, he's just trying to steal / iso here with something playable but marginal), so I 3bet to 45. CO calls, HU to the flop.

Flop T 8 4 (pot:94)
I cbet 55, CO calls

Turn K (pot:204)
I check, CO checks

River is J
I jam for 120 because the turn check back caps him so much.

Spew rating out of 10?
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Old 10-19-2016, 09:54 AM   #38
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Lol @ Johnny getting hate for posting the first legitimate bluff itt.

FWIW I think this thread would have traction/merit if it had a format.

Hand history
Why I bluffed
Why bluff is good
Why bluff is bad

Just my .02


I didn't take it as hating on me, just explained my thoughts a little more than I did in the original post


+1 to formatting for continuation of threads health

Not sure if mods could put that in OP
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Old 10-19-2016, 11:52 AM   #39
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1/3 with $250 effective stacks, 6 players on table. My read on villain (BTN) was that he was a "lookup artist" that loved to float flop Cbets.

Hero is dealt As 9s in CO
SB posts $1
BB posts $3
Folds to hero
Hero raises to $15
Villain (BTN) calls $15
Everyone else folds

$30 in pot
Flop shows 6c 4s 2d

Hero Cbets $25
Villain calls $25

$80 in pot
Turn shows 7d

Hero checks
Villain bets $40
Hero shoves ALL-IN for $210
Villain folds
I'd probably make my preflop raise slightly smaller.

I'd probably make my flop cbet smaller.

Not a fan of the turn. No equity if called, a draw did get there, it's possible he had us crushed on the flop (or even preflop), etc. I mean, obviously this sorta stuff works some of the time, and I guess we did choose the correct opponent (one who loves to float flops to steal on turns), but I'm not convinced it is good.

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Old 10-19-2016, 11:56 AM   #40
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Also, is anyone else experiencing some weirdo otherworldly forum formatting in this thread?

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Old 10-19-2016, 12:17 PM   #41
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Also, is anyone else experiencing some weirdo otherworldly forum formatting in this thread?

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Old 10-19-2016, 12:21 PM   #42
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Would be interested to know the extent to which people think this is spew:

1/2 ~220 effective

My image is very tight, I have been card dead for hours, only hand I have played of note was to squeeze an open and 3 calls with KK, I took it down and didn't show.

Passive player in MP limps in, thinking student/reg in CO raises to 15, I look down at 6 5 in the SB and decide to capitalise on my image and COs sizing tell (pretty sure he makes it ~12 with strong hands, he's just trying to steal / iso here with something playable but marginal), so I 3bet to 45. CO calls, HU to the flop.

Flop T 8 4 (pot:94)
I cbet 55, CO calls

Turn K (pot:204)
I check, CO checks

River is J
I jam for 120 because the turn check back caps him so much.

Spew rating out of 10?
I don't love jamming that river card. The Jc completes a ton of draws, all of which are consistent with his line. You're trying to tell the story that you have AQ or an ace-high flush. You don't have any blockers to either of those hands.

The river jam gets him to fold his missed draws and medium pairs. But you aren't telling a particularly consistent story, and you've been able to eliminate very few hands from his range.

I'd like the bluff a lot more if you had the bare ace of clubs...
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Old 10-19-2016, 12:28 PM   #43
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$2/5 $1500 eff

I open AQdd from MP to $20, loose-passive rec player calls the big blind.

Flop ($40) Kc 8h 4d.

Villain checks, hero bets $30, villain folds 55 face up.

/end thread
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Old 10-19-2016, 12:40 PM   #44
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$2/5 $1500 eff

I open AQdd from MP to $20, loose-passive rec player calls the big blind.

Flop ($40) Kc 8h 4d.

Villain checks, hero bets $30, villain folds 55 face up.

/end thread


I was wondering who the 1st would be to post a common cbet hand.
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Old 10-19-2016, 12:41 PM   #45
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I was wondering who the 1st would be to post a common cbet hand.
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Old 10-19-2016, 01:04 PM   #46
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I don't love jamming that river card. The Jc completes a ton of draws, all of which are consistent with his line. You're trying to tell the story that you have AQ or an ace-high flush. You don't have any blockers to either of those hands.



The river jam gets him to fold his missed draws and medium pairs. But you aren't telling a particularly consistent story, and you've been able to eliminate very few hands from his range.



I'd like the bluff a lot more if you had the bare ace of clubs...


I totally agree about better bluffing hands for this action/runout.

I guess I'm more interested in whether this bluff shows a profit in a vacuum though.

That said, I would expect a good player to jam the turn with draws given that I rep mostly JJ, QQ and surrendered bluffs, so I think he can't have nutted hands on the river either really. And AQ definitely makes sense for my line. I might play KK, AcKx and AcAx that way too. I also would almost certainly play AcKc this way and maybe some other flush draws, given I think he expects me to jam on the overcard turn a lot, so my FE doesn't actually increase in the turn.

He called with JhTh after a little thought. I'm fairly sure he folds if he doesn't make 2 pair that actually beats some of my value jams, though.


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Old 10-19-2016, 03:11 PM   #47
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6♥️5♥️ hand, not sure we're deep enough to be doing this in general. 120 into 204, V only needs 28% equity to call and our range isn't repping too much IMO
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Old 10-19-2016, 03:43 PM   #48
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Would be interested to know the extent to which people think this is spew:

1/2 ~220 effective

My image is very tight, I have been card dead for hours, only hand I have played of note was to squeeze an open and 3 calls with KK, I took it down and didn't show.

Passive player in MP limps in, thinking student/reg in CO raises to 15, I look down at 6 5 in the SB and decide to capitalise on my image and COs sizing tell (pretty sure he makes it ~12 with strong hands, he's just trying to steal / iso here with something playable but marginal), so I 3bet to 45. CO calls, HU to the flop.

Flop T 8 4 (pot:94)
I cbet 55, CO calls

Turn K (pot:204)
I check, CO checks

River is J
I jam for 120 because the turn check back caps him so much.

Spew rating out of 10?
Once V calls your cbet on the flop, he isn't going anywhere with half of his stack in the middle. You might get a fold from 99 or 77, but pretty much every other holding V has either got there on the river, was already there, or will make a crying call with one pair hands.
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Old 10-19-2016, 03:55 PM   #49
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pretty standard 2 barrel but I guess it qualifies:

1/3 9 handed, vill has about $550 and I cover. He raises to $10 in EP and I 3b AKo to $25 everyone else folds.

flop: 9 5 3 r

he checks, I bet $40, he calls not quickly but doesn't appear to contemplate a fold.

turn: 5 of bdfd

he checks I bet $125, he looks me over and folds pretty quickly.

He probably has a mid PP here though I guess a worse Ahi is possible. He hadn't been doing a lot of peeling and folding, nor had I been doing much barreling. Like I said, pretty standard, but technically a bluff.
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Old 10-19-2016, 04:25 PM   #50
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2/5, about $700 effective

Tight Passive old guy limps, I overlimp A5, two loose passives limp, SB makes it $30, oldie calls, I call because I don't come to the casino to fold, another calls.

I think the limp/call is okay because UTG's range is too strong to iso profitably, and the table calls raises loosely. Table has been passive so it gets limped around a lot.

Flop ($120): KQ3
Checks around.
Turn ($120): Jo.
SB leads $85, I call. His preflop raising range hits this board pretty hard. Betting flop/raising turn are both pretty meh. I have implied odds.
River ($290): 9o.
He bets $125, I raise to $310. He folds JJ.
My plan was to hit and get paid, but I got a great card to bluff at as I have much more Tx in my range than him. The raise is small, but a big one shouldn't be required
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