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Tale of two tables - 2/5 Tale of two tables - 2/5

05-03-2013 , 05:46 PM
Hero is playing his fifth consecutive 6-8 hr daily session, been on all-time biggest heater for 4 days. On day 5, am sitting at bad solid reg-infested table(requested table change about 40 min ago - ironically the following hand comes just as floor finally has a new spot for me)

Hero - 60 yr old, TAG image, prob seen as 3-betting a little more than table avg(but not "light")

Villain-studious looking early 30s, quiet, polite but somewhat pessimistic demeanor. He is currently shortstacked(235) after having lost a big pot. Have played with him before and he is very willing to race preflop when short.

villain opens UTG to 15(normal for the table was 20-25), one call, hero has TT
on button. I think this is kind of a toss-up between a flatcall and a 3-bet and choose to raise to 60. Villain quickly goes all-in and now I think his range is clearly at least as strong as JJ+,AK with maybe AQs as well. I'm priced in against even that range so I call. On to new table

New table is polar opposite, very loose passive playing almost like a 1/2 table. i have a tight but winning image at this new table and sitting on 700 when the following hand occurs. Main villain is a young friendly russian kid(late 20s I would say) whom I do not recognize as a reg(although I could be wrong). Like most young live russian players,in my experience, he plays decently and on the tight side) Action is as follows: he opens UTG to 25, 3 players flat call and it is on me with AKo in the SB. I tank briefly(to think about bet sizing, I might flat with AKs and play 5-handed but not with AKo), he kiddingly says(we've been friendly at the table), "what are you thinking about?" and I say kiddingly that I can't tell him that and raise to 150. he acts shocked and says one-fifty as if it was a million and tank calls. Everyone else reluctantly folds and we go to a flop of Ks9h7h and I bet 300,
he quickly goes all-in for about 500 and I feel I'm crushed but still am priced in to call.

All comments are appreciated
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05-03-2013 , 05:50 PM
SPR is like 1.2 or something on the flop, so you are 100 % committed. Fist pump call he could easily do this with a flush or straight draw, and worse K's
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05-03-2013 , 06:04 PM
not sure you are priced in in hand 1. you have to call another 175 to win 310 so you need about 37% equity. against the range you assigned him, TTs only has about 35% equity, so its pretty close

hand 2 I also don't like flatting with AK from the blinds in a multiway pot. pot size is 375 otf correct? since he only has another 500 behind and you are obviously committed, i actually don't mind a check here since it is going to be difficult to get much value from weaker hands. a check here may get you a street or two of value if he has something like TTs-QQs, and you still will have no problem getting it in ott and otr.
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05-03-2013 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by iluvsheesh
he kiddingly says(we've been friendly at the table), "what are you thinking about?"
Most people flame lol live reads here on the forum, but personally to me what is said above:

From anyone > 30, wanting to encourage seeing a flop, weak.
From anyone < 30, ******ed strength. Instigating.

I think both hands are semi standard though. If that is truly villains range in hand 1 you can call or fold and it will be meaningless i think, but I would guess the range is semi wishful thinking.

Hand two you're in one of those ****ty spots, has Russian been active? Is his UTG raise out of the ordinary I mean? Once you 3!, and once you hit that flop, it's over.
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05-03-2013 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fogodchao
not sure you are priced in in hand 1. you have to call another 175 to win 310 so you need about 37% equity. against the range you assigned him, TTs only has about 35% equity, so its pretty close
Sorry, I should have included pot sizes, but by my calcs in Hand 1, flop has 2+5+15+15+60=97 after I bet. villain has 235-15=220 left when he 4-bets all-in so pot is now about 220+97-4(rake)=313 and I have to call 220-60=160 giving me a hair under 2-1 odds to call.
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05-03-2013 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by iluvsheesh
60 yr old, TAG image,
not something you see everyday

Hand 1 is probably more debatable than 2 but it's an easy call.

Hand 2 would be awful if you bet/folded...I'm guessing you lost and he had a set? When someone is oop in a 3bet pot with this type of SPR and takes this line, I expect to see worse Kx and sometimes 1010,JJ etc. The pot odds you're getting easily justifies a snap
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05-03-2013 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Most people flame lol live reads here on the forum, but personally to me what is said above:

From anyone > 30, wanting to encourage seeing a flop, weak.
From anyone < 30, ******ed strength. Instigating.

I think both hands are semi standard though. If that is truly villains range in hand 1 you can call or fold and it will be meaningless i think, but I would guess the range is semi wishful thinking.

Hand two you're in one of those ****ty spots, has Russian been active? Is his UTG raise out of the ordinary I mean? Once you 3!, and once you hit that flop, it's over.
In hand 1, I think my range for villain is accurate(unless his small initial bet is some kind of sizing tell), I mean I've seen this guy get AKo all-in pre many times b4. As far as hand 2, I think your live tell theory is the key to the whole hand here, but I had all ready 3-bet to 150 and he just called, once that flop came could I really just put him on KK+ and shutdown?
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05-03-2013 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by andees10
not something you see everyday

Hand 1 is probably more debatable than 2 but it's an easy call.

Hand 2 would be awful if you bet/folded...I'm guessing you lost and he had a set? When someone is oop in a 3bet pot with this type of SPR and takes this line, I expect to see worse Kx and sometimes 1010,JJ etc. The pot odds you're getting easily justifies a snap
hehe, in general true but you yutes do tend to underestimate us

Hand 1 I know is a call, I'm wondering if it would have been better just to flatcall pre

Hand 2 I didn't fold. Now as to your guess, you are 50% correct
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05-03-2013 , 09:15 PM
3betting pre is a better option in hand 1 imo. In a vacuum it's probably debatable, but given your reads and the fact he's stuck/tilted 3b >flating.

His preflop opening range is wider and his continue range when you 3b is also going to be wide most likely. I think we allow him to make a bigger mistake when we 3bet as he will probably stack off light with his half stack... Not to mention you're squeezing dead money from the first caller.

Both hands are well played
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05-03-2013 , 10:57 PM
Hand 1, I think it's an easy fold. I don't find it to be as common in live games as it is online for 10's to be good in that spot.

Hand 2, your so far behind when your opponent tank calls the $150 re raise. My guess is AA or KK, but most likely AA looking to check raise any flop. In rare instances it may be QQ looking to rep a big hand, but after you bet that big on the flop I just don't think you can fold.
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05-04-2013 , 10:51 AM
Grunch

Both hands look fine to me... In hand #2 did he move all-in for $500 total? Or $800 total. It's a call either way though.
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05-04-2013 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaNEWPr0fess0r
Grunch

Both hands look fine to me... In hand #2 did he move all-in for $500 total? Or $800 total. It's a call either way though.
$500 total
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05-04-2013 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by iluvsheesh
once that flop came could I really just put him on KK+ and shutdown?
I believe you misread me, I meant once we 3! and see that flop we are putting the rest of our stack in everytime.

But yea I mean I think it depends on russian's opening range. I think your 3! pre (I prolly just do $125) is okay but otf you are hoping for a chop or a spazz, which is pretty ****ty. Do you have the A of hearts? Takes more spazz out of his range if so.

I sometimes pass on a squeeze with AKo in the blinds, like if UTG was old man coffee who I forgot was even playing, and he makes it $30 out of the gate, I just meh fold.

I might sound hella weak, flame away.
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