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I think this was no more than playing fancy (and risky) for no reason. We take a line that is meant to blow people off hands, risking the every now and then good fold by a mediocre villain,and why?

This vs him would be a simple flop 2.5x CR, then sizing turn/river for getting in noting that the more he calls on turn, then less he folds on river. I see no valid reason from veering away from that line and you would have stacked him for sure.

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07-04-2014 , 03:15 AM

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gus1112

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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit

Disagree entirely. Why would check raising a flop when a guy bets just over half pot be optimal? If he was super strong he'd likely bet more. Leading flop much better than checkraising flop, you want him to fold ak? Do you like ck raising your flopped sets, particularly when a guy bets half pot?

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07-04-2014 , 03:16 AM

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gus1112

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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit

Also this is results oriented advice knowing he has AK...

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07-04-2014 , 03:32 AM

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myshadow

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I like donking a half-pot flop bet in this situation, particularly because at the game in which I play, it usually means either TP or flush draw blocking (or "feeler") bet from most of the other players.

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07-04-2014 , 10:38 AM

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a12

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Lead flop. If get raised which in this case you probably would as V is worried also about MP player, flat raise. Then open shove that turn. Depends on pot size a bit too.

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07-09-2014 , 09:46 PM

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Brudre21

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Not a fan of the OP's line at all, looks super strong and communicates that the V should fold on the turn. He is not committed.

If this villain has not raised in EP at all we have to recognize he likely has a big hand he is not letting go of. Why not go for gold here; your best chance to get his money is by committing him earlier rather than later. His range is obviously TT+ and AK. When he leads the flop, the check raise is the best way to get him to go with his hand. He can range you on all kinds of stuff that you're ahead of.

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07-09-2014 , 09:57 PM

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Avaritia

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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit

This.

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07-09-2014 , 10:25 PM

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jvds

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you didnt say how long V was at the table playing super tight. if a while, flat is okay i guess, if not just 3b pre. hard to have a signif sample size getting 30hands/hr.

lead flop, as played c/r flop, as played lead turn, as played c/r much smaller and shove all rivers. you basically made every decision wrong.

also, why do you use so many ellipses...?

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07-09-2014 , 10:39 PM

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Flushie

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Given the range you ascribe I think you actually picked the one line that gets the least value from the AA AK range. FWIW if you asrcibe villain as competent.

I like lead, lead, lead big. if you dont get raises. If V raises flop, call and lead. If his range is 99+, then AK and AA are the only hands you get a ton of value from.

Yes hearts might be an issue but rare, and your line allows heart scare OTT anyway.

Nice hand though, did he call?

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07-09-2014 , 10:56 PM

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11t

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I always prefer to give somebody a chance to spew their stack in the middle when I have a nutted hand.

Chr to the turn 300 and let him stick it in really light.

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