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T9o on JQKr flop facing all-in: fold? T9o on JQKr flop facing all-in: fold?

04-05-2015 , 11:33 AM
This happened last night around 3am at a 1/2nlhe game

Table was very loose. Lots of action, lots of big pots. Money moving around quite a lot.

V1 ($500): Nitty fish. Will fold almost anything to a raise. When he gets the nuts he just shoves, no matter pot size.

V2 ($1000): Late 20s black guy. He's a LAG player, raising a lot, but also somewhat a calling station. Will call almost any draw with a low pair down to the river and fold if he doesn't hit. Sometimes calling even with bottom pair. He has a winning image but I think I have a pretty good read on him.

Hero ($475): Mid 20s guy. Usually plays pretty tight but right now has a loose and winning image.

Preflop:
Limps/folds around
Hero in SB with T9 limps
V1 in BB makes it $5 (wtf)
V2 UTG raises to $15
Folds around
Hero calls
V1 calls

Flop ($50):
JQKr
Hero checks
V1 checks
V2 bets $40
Folds around to hero
Hero raises to $90
V1 folds
V2 thinks for a minute, then calls

Turn ($230):
6
Hero checks
V2 shoves all-in, covers hero
Hero???

Do I fold here? The shove obviously represents the nuts, but this villain could be holding almost ATC. He took down a pot earlier with two pair with 62s. The preflop limp/raise could mean he's holding KK, QQ, JJ, or it could mean that he just felt like raising. Maybe he has TT or AA also. He has done a lot of big betting with hands that were behind.
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04-05-2015 , 11:48 AM
I snap call.

Does this villain limp/raise to a lol bet size from up front with A10?

Wouldn't be surprised to see AA or set of kings.

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04-05-2015 , 12:36 PM
Fold preflop to the $15 raise. T9o isn't strong enough to play OOP to a raise.

If your going to check/raise the flop go bigger, $125. In any case, you have to call turn. Preflop action discounts AT and puts a lot of sets/two pair in his range and probably some pair+OESD also. I would rather lead this flop though, villains are either going to have a hand to call or air on this flop.
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04-05-2015 , 12:38 PM
Instacall. Shouldn't even be a question. You're losing to one hand which you have a blocker to. I find this PF action hilarious though. Like what does either raise accomplish? Maybe the limpers fold to the 15 but idk. Seems real fishy. V2 is almost certainly behind the 2nd nuts. I never find a fold here. If he shows up with AT after limp/3! Then he's an idiot and you can notate his ******edness in your mental notebook.
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04-05-2015 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
Fold preflop to the $15 raise. T9o isn't strong enough to play OOP to a raise.

If your going to check/raise the flop go bigger, $125. In any case, you have to call turn. Preflop action discounts AT and puts a lot of sets/two pair in his range and probably some pair+OESD also. I would rather lead this flop though, villains are either going to have a hand to call or air on this flop.
I actually don't mind the c/r. If he has a hand he'll continue to bet the flop and we c/r for value. If he has air the only way to get more of his money is if he cbets. If we lead out he folds air. I think hero played flop correctly.
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04-05-2015 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DeepStack bMAC
Instacall. Shouldn't even be a question. You're losing to one hand which you have a blocker to. I find this PF action hilarious though. Like what does either raise accomplish? Maybe the limpers fold to the 15 but idk. Seems real fishy. V2 is almost certainly behind the 2nd nuts. I never find a fold here. If he shows up with AT after limp/3! Then he's an idiot and you can notate his ******edness in your mental notebook.
Yeah the table was super fishy, which is why I was still there at 3am. I should have re-bought and stayed all night.
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04-05-2015 , 01:24 PM
Completing from the SB is fine. Instamuck PF once it's raised.

AP, it's a snap call.
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04-05-2015 , 01:57 PM
if you re read your own description of villian, you will realize this is always a snap call...
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04-05-2015 , 02:32 PM
Thanks for the reassurance

I had a bad feeling he had AT here. When he called my raise he hammed it up a bit and gave a little sigh call.

I did call his all in and villain did show AT
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04-05-2015 , 02:36 PM
We have to call $370 to win $600 which translates to 1.62:1 immediate odds.

We have to win 38% to break even.

Conservatively, villain's range consists of 12 combos of AT, 3 combos KK, 3 of QQ, and 3 of JJ. We are ahead of 9 of the 21 combos which translates to ~42% equity. This is a clear call even if V only has these 21 combos of hands. Add any 2 pair combos (which are probably pretty likely) and we're making big money.

V also has 2 combos of T9 with which we chop (given his 3b pre, I'm eliminating off suit T9 so that leaves T9cc and T9ss)
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04-05-2015 , 02:59 PM
I think completing the small blind is fine, but calling the raise is very bad. We are not even closing the action. As played it's always a call vs this villan, but when stations turn to aggro it is usually the nuts.
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