Strength of my hand doesn’t just mean my card value. It also means the board texture, the number of opponents, their style and my position. Strength of my situation would have been a better way to put it.

I’d be more inclined to check this hand against just one guy. With two, the chances are better that one can find a call and I’ll get some value. This is a fact, not my opinion. Two is more than one.

If you’re looking be trappy, betting the flop and then checking the turn is better (this is my opinion) because that looks like an unimproved AK that failed with its cbet. Now you can induce a bluff on the river or get a super light call from a villain who still thinks you have AK.

If the hand is heads up, it’s easier for villain to bluff and easier for villain to think you’re bluffing, both of which are good for us. Betting the flop has a better chance of eliminating one villain than checking it through.


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You are correct.

Turn action...

Hero bets $40.

SB calls with $160 remaining after the call (200-20-40).

BB raises to $140, for a raise of $100. Hero calls.

SB shoves $160 over the $140, for a raise of $20.

At this point, BB can only call (or fold).

Hero should not have been allowed to raise since SB's shove does not constitute a legal raise, and he has already had the option to call BB's raise, but chose only to call.

Hero can only call (or fold).

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BTW...

Hero's pot odds after BB's $140 raise is $280:100. Getting 2.8:1 here, hero need only be good 26% of the time vs. both SB and BB combined (ignoring stacks remaining). Hero should at least call BB's raise here. Perhaps its a little thin, but lol-live poker.

After SB shoves and BB calls, Hero's new pot odds are $460:20. Getting 23:1, hopefully nobody thinks folding here is correct.

Pre $20 is good.

Flop - I would like to bet $25 in $60 as flop is so dried, we target any pocket pairs, 7, and induce some bluffs.

Turn, as played, I don't think we can fold for $20 more. But how can we raise allin on the turn??? Action does not reopen, we can only call the SB allin, don't we???

wait 2>1? this is a fact? are you sure??? you still give horrible reasons for betting this flop. you bet this flop because 2>1? really??? thats not good enough. 2 is only bigger than 1 by 1.

you also advocate betting this flop to prevent getting sucked out on......tell me what hands can suck out on the turn???? ONLY POCKET PAIRS. Which are the exact hands you say you are betting to get value from. You don't know what the hell you are trying to accomplish with this bet. You fold out hands that can only improve to 2nd best on the turn. ie every hand thats not a pocket pair. Its ridiculous to bet this flop.

and yeah SBs shove closes the action. consider the only person to catch this also advocates checking this flop. i play poker everyday and i crush. this is as obvious of a spot to check as any.

villain will call you light because they put you on AK???? if they can beat AK they are calling because they have a pair not because they put you on specifically AK.

you are blocking aces too so there are fewer combos of ace high to call with.



please just think about it.

and no one should be "looking to be trappy" as you say. that's not a thing or its a thing for bad players. you should be looking to make money. im not checking this flop to "be trappy" im checking to allow my opponents to make a hand on the turn that they will pay off with. checking this flop makes more money than betting. its so obvious if you look at opponents ranges.

Horrible thread derail going on here.

Plenty of good players have already provided thorough objective explanations on both sides explaining why they think either a bet on the flop or a check is better.

We all have different experiences and styles of play and there is no one 'correct' answer on this one. If we were playing GTO we would probably be betting a certain percentage of the time and checking some other percentage of the time.

Probably the only incorrect answer to this one is to think that only one answer can be correct.

FWIW, in my poker life I've at times held very strong emphatic views around some things and then had to change those views as I've learnt more or as players' tendencies have changed.

This was your response when I said the times I would check the flop were when I felt I was in a very strong situation, with little chase on being drawn out on.

You have since proceeded to say that, in this particular hand, the reason to not bet the flop is because it's a very strong hand with little chance of being drawn out on.

Anyway, I think you can make a case for either. Neither is egregiously wrong. Just a personal preference.

Appreciate all the feedback guys...really helps my future thought process with so many different POV and opinions. In hindsight, I like a small cbet bet on the flop b/c its multi-way and such a loose game. But given the calls were from the blinds vs a LP open, I don't expect any action if I bet that flop. on the turn, my hand is so under-repped that I can't fold just yet. I should have just called the SB jam and evaluated.