Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >


Live Low-stakes NL Discussion of up to 3/5 live no-limit, pot-limit and spread-limit Texas Hold'em poker games, situations and strategies.

Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-03-2013, 04:34 AM   #1
JWcoyote's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 22
Super fun turn spot w/ 2pair.

Local 1/2 home game, full ring. Game plays pretty deep and there's usually 3-4k on the table by the end of the night. This hand was about 5 hours into the night and the game usually runs for about 15 hours and has a tendency to be very loose.

Hero ($750) is a 24 year old full time poker player, has had a few decent tournament cashes and plays cash regularly at casinos and in this home game. Hero has a 'loose' image although I truly don't play that loose, especially in this game where the chips fly and money exchanges hands very quickly. This night hero hasn't shown a bluff and has already told the table I had to leave within an hour or so.

Villain ($300) is a 40-50 year old man, also a bookie, who plays poker on the side. Villain is to my immediate right. I've logged quite a few hours w him and have really seen him overvalue a lot of hands and kinda go crazy when he loses. He was already stuck one buyin and was just in for his second within the last orbit. He has very weird tendencies like raising big hands huge preflop because he 'hates them' and 'can never win with them' lol. Almost always goes bust before the game breaks. Likes to bet pot when he takes the lead.

The hand:
Hero has all but one person at the table covered.
UTG +2 raises to $10.
All 6 other players including villain call.
Hero looks at K5 and calls the $8.

Flop ($80)
Checks to the CO who bets $30.
Villain calls.
Hero makes it $135.
Only villain calls.

Turn ($380)
Villain insta shoves for $155

Is this 100% a fold?

I started constructing hands that he could have...and honestly, I've played w him a lot and I have never seen him chase a flush draw like that. He almost always just waits till he flops the joint and bets pot all the way. As I was talking myself thru the hand he heard me says something like 'I can only see KXcc' and he flips the Kc and just smiles at me. I wanted to vomit.

Does anyone here play w anyone like this or have any reasoning as to call him here? I know he can be spewy sometimes but I just was in a pickle.
JWcoyote is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2013, 05:21 AM   #2
LLSNL FF Champ '13
ibelieveyouoweme$80k's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wentzylvania baby
Posts: 12,851
Re: Super fun turn spot w/ 2pair.

I'd just fold pre and wait for a better spot.

Once he shows the Kc, I'm snap folding. If you're behind, he just exposed one of your outs, so you have three.

Fold pre.
ibelieveyouoweme$80k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2013, 05:44 AM   #3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,556
Re: Super fun turn spot w/ 2pair.

Fold pre, fold pre, fold pre.

Given odds I probably make the crying call.
Would he shove Kxcc on the flop?
Feel like he has enough KcX to make this a profitable call, although we lose a good amount of course.
matzah_ball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2013, 06:04 AM   #4
mela's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Dodging quads
Posts: 3,228
Re: Super fun turn spot w/ 2pair.

Pre looks okay, you have good odds and it's not a fantastic hand but w/e either way

Turn is a snap fold, he can flip AxKc or KcQx sometimes but that's a very few combos and you're not ahead by ton even those times
mela is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2013, 07:13 AM   #5
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 572
Re: Super fun turn spot w/ 2pair.

Normally when they turn the huge card over, it's trying to get you to lay the hand down. If he has a king-high flush already made, why does he show the king of clubs that should get you to fold? Of course it could be one of those double reverse maneuvers to get you to call by showing a card that is supposed to make you fold.

We are getting 3.5-to-1 on a call, and I think we are a favorite here. He over-values hands that we know, so why can't he have Ax-Kc? We are a 2-to-1 favorite against, so put the money in. It is a perfect turn card to fire at if he has a lone Kc. If he hits on us, we rebound and rebuild. The 8 of clubs is your money card, in my opinion, because any other 8 and he may check-fold the turn and you don't get any value.

JDK6390 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2013, 08:51 AM   #6
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 275
Re: Super fun turn spot w/ 2pair.

If he always raises big hands huge pf, he does not have KK. He showed the K, which makes no sense if he wanted a call. I see lots of KQo/Jo/To combinations that he could have. Its $155 to win ~535. I would think that you have enough equity given his ranges to call.
TenFourOff is offline   Reply With Quote


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:12 PM.

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive