This is a live 1/3 game and eff. stack is about 260$. I open from UTG+1 with KQ to 12$ and villain flats in BB. Villains is relatively tight black guy probably about 28-35 and seems have some understanding of the game.

Flop J84
He lead for 10$
Pots around 30$ when the actions to me; I raise to 30$, he calls, pot around 80$
turn is 9
He checks I bet 65$ and he shoves for about 218$....
I havent ran the math here yet but in real time i came to the conclusion that its a fold. It just happened so wanted to post this fresh. Let me know about the line we took and if we couldve taken any different lines here??

spadez

What hands do you think V folds to a bet on this turn after b/c flop? I'd check turn.

I just flat flop. We have some SDV with K high, and we cant call a shove. Use your position.

Turn i check bc what in the world is he folding after donking flop and calling a raise.

Turn i meh call; we’re getting better than 2:1. In the rare cases he shows up with a combo draw/pair + draw, we’ll be in decent shape

I like flop raise to $40. AP, check turn, that 9 is a good card for his range. AP, I probably call turn wondering why I couldn't just check and see a free card.

Thought process was that on all blanks i shove river and I turn all his 1 pair hands into bluff catchers. People definitely over fold vs these bets and i thought this guy was the type.

Flop-I think with a raise we build the pot for us to either steal on later street or realize equity. Once we call flop I think it starts to weight us towards weaker holdings.

turn...were getting bout 2.4:1 so we need about 29% equity this is just a quick range i plugged in..i think it seems reasonable and this has about 29% equity which makes it about a break even call...so SMH its close

Board: 8dJc4c9h
Equity Win Tie
MP3 28.99% 28.99% 0.00% { KcQc }
BB 71.01% 71.01% 0.00% { JJ, 99-88, 44, AJs, AcTc, QdTd, Tc9c, 9c8c, AJo, QTo }

Your game plays a lot different than mine if a $12 open in EP somehow gets things HU in position. I would typically open limp this here unless table is quite raisey preflop and non-payoffy postflop.

With overs + second nut flush draw, I'm cool with anything other than folding the flop. If we think he can fold his donk to a raise, I'd raise. If we think he's never folding when he donks, I'm cool with just flatting. The SPR is fairly large (stacks behind are more worth winning the the pot itself), so if we raise and get reraised we're kinda in a sucky spot (as our over outs likely aren't good and now we're put in a position of shovelling in a bunch of money with just the second nut draw). Overall, I might lean to just calling here, but it's pretty dependent on what he donks with.

One of the problems with taking this line is what happened; we get in a bunch of money when he might not be folding and then don't even get to realize our equity. As played, we unfortunately do have to fold; if we count 12 outs (which is unlikely what we have), that gives us about 25% equity, so we need 3:1 in the best case scenario and we're only getting a little over 2:1.

Overall, I think I take a more aggro approach when the pot is relatively big compared to stacks and worth winning, but when stacks behind relatively big and the pot not as enticing I think I would lean to a more passive approach, but that's me. On the other hand, sometimes we take this down with a turn bet, so that does help make up for these disaster situations.

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I agree w/ GG (what?) but I lay it down. Would have either flatted or raised flop larger. Kind of left yourself in no mans land.

AP I would have checked back turn.