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03-27-2015 , 01:53 PM
2/5 game

stacks
hero 1100
villian covers

reads
villain is very aggressive plays wide pre/post flop been on a heater for the last hour or so raises anywhere for 10-20 pre with just about ATC suited. when he raises to 10-15 usually means he got trashed hero has squeezed him a few time pre after a cold calls but the table is getting frustrated with him raising every 2nd hand

action
UTG limps
hero UTG+1 limps with A4 usually I would be folding this in EP but felt if the villain did raise I could try and squeeze given that he is raising so wide and depending on what the other did at the table after him.
villain in MP raise to 20
CO/button/both blinds and UTG call
hero??? I was going to try and isolate but felt that since a few of the tighter regs had call that I might just be bloating the pot while getting dominated, I felt that folding was being a little too tight as well and elect to just call

pot 120

flop is 67Q
checks to V1 who bets 65
button calls
hero calls

pot 305

turn 10
checks to V1 who goes and bets 300
button folds
hero ???
I wasn't 100% what villain had at this point to be betting so much after such a weak cbet, I was 70-80% sure Villain would call just about anything on the river.
given that if I called I would still have 700ish left on the river that I would have the implied odds to call. I had to think long and hard at one point thinking hitting my Ace may be good.
Is there a hard and fast rule that people have to calculate implied odds???
after thinking about it thought I should just be folding this pre as it is just a nightmare to play OOP to a aggressive player and given the stack depth a few mistakes can cost a small fortune.
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03-27-2015 , 02:02 PM
so you limped, hoping to squeeze, got the opportunity, and chickened out? If that's the case, just fold. Now you're in a bloated pot out of position. Ouch.

I think you need to lead the flop. Double the pre-flop bet. Make it $40 and see what happens after that. Maniac might come along. another player might come along with just a Q. If you're raised, it should still be relatively small related to remaining stacks. So you can just evaluate implied odds and make a decision.
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03-27-2015 , 02:06 PM
Gotta agree with IDWH, this is a great spot to squeeze. You had a plan but didn't follow through - you might as well have folded pre.
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03-27-2015 , 02:14 PM
PF: Uh...OK...well...sounds like FPS to me. Fold. As played, call. I'd rather have more people in the pot and have someone give me their stack with a smaller flush.

F ($140): (7) handed. SPR is 7.8. Calling is fine.

T ($335): (3) handed. V bets $300. Well, we obviously don't have odds to call. We only have reads on the V preflop, so I'm not sure how he reacts post flop. Obviously, this is a big bet, so we should not just assume he's bluffing or semi-bluffing here just based on his PF tendencies. He's put in 35% of the effective stack (he's got $715 left). Also, I don't think think the Cbet is weak; you're saying the pot was $120 (although I think it was $140, not counting rake), so he Cbet half pot with 7 people in the hand.

There are only two plays: Fold or shove. I like fold.
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03-27-2015 , 02:18 PM
This is a tough spot all together, I think calling pre is about the only logical option for me nicely done. Squeezing OOP with that many callers is asking to get dominated and folding Ax suited for 5-1 odds is nitty.

On the flop against a player that aggressive i would probably be throwing in a check raise for about 165-185, there is already a ton of dead money in the pot with the buttons call, ie +130 and your 12 outs to anybody not reppin AQ, unlikely in the case of V1.

As played on the turn, hard to know without having better reads but his sizing is super strange, betting pot for 300 screams for a fold, if he had a monster why would he value so huge and try to push you out? Also not much of his range makes 2 pair, Q6/Q7? Maybe 67ss but if he's playing alot of trash thats less likely. Sometimes maniacs will make non-logical plays but at this point i think your options are......

On the top of my game I probably shove AI and make him do the hard work, he cant ever call this down with less than a miracle 2pair with QT, or get gamboozly with his flush draw which your crushing. Even if he does your still 13 outs to 1 pair and very good fold equity.

On a bad day, I would mutter to myself, fold and put this same post on 2+2 haha. I think a check-raise on the flop is the best line overall though IMHO.
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03-27-2015 , 02:21 PM
Hand is played fine, now fold. You almost have 0 fe after V pots turn.
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03-27-2015 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wewa925
Hand is played fine, now fold. You almost have 0 fe after V pots turn.
+1

I'm not squeezing after than many regs, etc., call. Fine to call with those odds, though.
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03-27-2015 , 02:30 PM
I dont like the limp in early position. Just bring it in to a raise or fold. You idea to squeeze has merit but not following through is bad.

the flop line is fine, check to the raiser and getting reasonable odds to call. The turn bet is very strong. You are only getting 2-1 and you need a little better than 4-1 to call profitably. Even if you stack villan every time I think this is a slight -EV situation and you should fold. I prefer to get aggressive with my big draws. If you just open raised yourself you could of double barreled turn and actually had fold eauity.

Passive lines pre lead to passive lines post.
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03-27-2015 , 05:11 PM
I'd recommend you fold or limp/fold. Even if you think the pre-flop raiser opens A3/33/43 you're still behind the majority of his range.

Even on the flop, with it being 3-way, you're only getting direct odds to call if the Villain bets 45% of the pot or less. You weren't getting correct odds to call the flop bet.

Heads up you can call a bet that's 31% of the pot or less.

You could have great implied odds (maybe someone won't see the flush when it comes), but you could also be drawing to 5 outs if someone has 8d9d.

To every who opens/3bets/etc. it's quite unlikely that Ad4d is the best hand pre-flop so if you like playing bad cards out-of-position, then ...
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03-27-2015 , 06:34 PM
Ask for a seat change button. Get this guy to you right. You don't beat a player who's playing fast with a weak range by also playing fast with a weak range.

Fold pf. It isn't nitty, its fundamental holdem strategy. Small suited aces are awkward to play from oop, and you are clear that you fully expect to get raised behind.

I don't like a squeeze, either. All the other players have also noted that this guy is getting $ in with a presumably weak range. When you squeeze, they aren't going to be thinking "limp-reraise, omg, AA, i should fold!" They're going to be thinking "Nice squeeze, buddy."

I don't see that this hand, in this situation, is going to be profitable.
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