Actually, I am, when you say something that is worth me learning, I will certainly give you full credit.

Hey man, why don't you respond to what I said then.

I laid them out pretty clear.

going to reply to OP then go through thread. first the bad beat jack pot should have no factor in hand selection EVER! next EP-MP wth suited mid range connectors is fine to call with against a standard raise however villian and game type matter of course. there is no quick solution for it here. the pot odds should be pretty good for you in that spot but again you have to take in all the factors....except for the bad beat jackpot. cant really stress how bad that is to think about

You might be better off with aces in position and as the preflop raiser too.

This thread has basically went to the devil's workshop because Neutrogena opted to attack the way people play suited connectors badly but didn't opt to share the proper, and profitable, use of the hand.

If you will remember the analysis of absolute value of the various hands such as were released by some of the poker sites some years ago, you'll note that only a few of the hands are EV+ in the entirety of their use by the universe of players.

This supports the contention at hand but is a bit like level 0 strategic thought.

Like any other situation in poker, the best play of suited connectors depends. I've literally been in games where I could profitably limp and call large raises with 65ss because of the play of my opponents. I've been in games where the last thing you want to do is raise and fold out the fish with marginal hands.

But these are clearly exceptional situations. If you limp and call standard raises with hands like 76ss or T8ss by rote, without having in mind game dynamics, stack sizes, player tendencies and without having in hand the capability of maximizing the value of the hand by proper action, you will be leaking. And very likely unaware of it because you will usually be losing small painless pots and selectively remembering the monster pots you do win.

Look, there is no simple rule as to how to play these hands. You can't just say raise or fold in this or that position. There are a lot of variables.

I think it would be right to say that if you look at the games of those who are slight winners or break even players at llsnl you will find they tend to play this class of hand too passively and too often out of position. Another fault is misunderstanding the inherent value of a hand like 75ss versus JTss.

The raise or fold, I'm never calling crowd are, of course, not concerned with such nuance.

But both camps can agree we can't just play bingo with this class of hand. We can teach auntie to play pocket pairs for set value in ten minutes. If you are looking for a similar "set of conditions" for SC you are on the wrong track.

The OP started talking about suited connectors and then went on to reference 79o and I think, Q9o. This evidences a lack of basic foundation. Go to beginners book's including limit holdem works to learn the basics.

If you're going to play SC then raise in EP and flatting/limping in late position is ok IMO.

Same for one gappers.

Neutrogena, in what specific spots would u play SCs OOP (which stack sizes, which players, etc and with which SCs) or do you never ever play SCs OOP??? What about in position???

suited connectors suck. they're fools gold for the vast majority of situations.

i like pairs...

Only limp oop with pocket pairs and call all raises if you know villian will stack off and has 10 to 20x raise size.

If it's a nit, it can be 7x because using all pp to felt nits is fun and felting the nit opens a seat that a fish may potentially sit down in.

There are many factors, but most importantly there has to be certain types of players in the hand.