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Originally Posted by Joey913
My apologies for being a bit flippant. What kind of ranges did you put them on (at the table) to think calling could even be close to correct? I'm just not seeing it.
So I just started learning range vs range thinking so I am not the best at in by all means but have been trying. Typically I use my ranges as a base, and then adjust them from there based off of hands I am seeing at the table. With the cutoff he was calling wide when in position so preflop I gave him a wider calling range than what I would normally call with
V1 : QQ-22,AQs-A2s,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s,ATo+,KTo +,QTo+,JTo
V2 was really wide this range was probably tight for him
QQ-22,AQs-A2s,K2s+,Q2s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,64s+,53s+,4 2s+,32s,AQo-A2o,KTo+,QTo+,JTo,87o,76o,65o,54o,43o,32o
On the flop after 2 checks V1 probably using position and betting a little bit wider. Probably something like Sets, Top pair, Some second pair hands and maybe some A high bdfd. He 3bets AA-KK, AK pre.
V2 is probably just calling everything but sets at this point. He isn't raising anything unless its the nuts.
I called figuring V1 isn't on a strong hand, I was getting 20% on the call and figured at the table that my equity was close enough. (It wasn't until after I went home and plugged everything into equilab that I found out I have 14% equity against his range on that flop.)
On turn I picked up equity but decided to check and see what story V1 continues to tell. When he bets small on the turn, I am placing him on weak king now, maybe some second pairs that he is trying to get through with the small bet. He bets bigger with KQ and QQ.
V2 call is weak and the Q doesn't help his range really. I mean he could have KQ but again based on what he has been doing with his strongest holdings he is probably raising this. He is continuing with weak Kings, Second pair, and now probably even a queen for just 25 dollars. Because hey he just called 20, so what is 25.
After V2 calls I figure that both are weak, I have better equity now and some fold equity. Check raise probably looks strong to them and I can get them to lay down there hands and pick up the pot.
But after looking over everything and getting feedback definitely was to much fancy play. It would have been a lot better to bet flop, and if called I could have still barreled turn after picking up equity. My story would have looked stronger the price of doing this would have been cheaper then my check raise, and I have a bigger sized bet on the river to shove.