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05-30-2018 , 12:43 PM
Hey! First post, made it just for this hand because I am looking for how other people view this.

So I have $250 at 1/2.
I’m in Bb with k9o and have been playing tight.

Utg raises to 15, he gets two lp callers.
Utg has been raising a lot even from early position with marginal hands (suited connectors) and the two callers have floated well over 50% flops they see.

So I call with k9o, I think this is a bad hand oop but I am closing the action.

Flop is k84r

I check, utg bets 15 into 61.
Both players limp so I raise to 45 to protect and charge the limpers.

Everyone calls, now I’m a little worried.

the turn is a 2. I jam and everyone folds. So I scoop 241.
Utg said he had kq and he thought I had a set.

I feel like this is horrible and a losing play, but I lucked out this time. Thoughts?
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05-30-2018 , 12:46 PM
I'd like to know where this game is as I want in
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05-30-2018 , 01:23 PM
Fold pre.

Otf just call. The raise+sizing is bad imo. And jamming ott after 3 players called your raise otf is suicidal.You will run into slowplayed sets a lot of times.
You totally overplayed your hand but luckily it worked out well this time after unwillingly turning it into a bluff.
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05-30-2018 , 02:48 PM
I dont know where to begin.... maybe if we do a little "inception" work and make you come to the realization on your own we'll show some progress...

You raise K9 on the flop to protect your hand... protect from what? Like spell it out, I want to know exactly what hands you are worried about beating you.
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05-30-2018 , 03:58 PM
The main reason you should fold hands like K9o in BB is so you don't make crazy errors post flop with TPNK.

You should be playing super super tight in the blinds vs a raise until your post flop skills are much better. Even then you should play quite tight in the blinds vs an UTG raise.

Follow the 15/25/35 rule to decide whether to continue with speculative hands. Maybe 25/35/45. K9o is always a terrible hand though vs a raise.
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05-30-2018 , 04:27 PM
How should I exploit people who are floating an extremely wide range in late position?
I don’t feel comfortable check calling on a lot of turns and rivers where they could have two pair or a straight, but it is too nitty to fold k9o for 15 when the pot is 106.

When I look at the turn jam, I’m betting 180 into 241.
If they only call 50% of the time the expected return is 120.5-90 = +30.5.

I block top pair, there are very few two pair, and the only sets are 4s and 8s.
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05-30-2018 , 04:37 PM
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I feel like this is horrible and a losing play, but I lucked out this time. Thoughts?
No way, everyone is missing the sick merge nature of this river bet... just kidding, I agree.
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05-30-2018 , 05:47 PM
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How should I exploit people who are floating an extremely wide range in late position?
Dont play trash like K9o from the BB for starters. This is one time where it's ok to be results oriented, because look at what you got; you were up against KQo, this is why you dont play rag pairs.

But back to the original question, why are you leading out with top pair? Why are you hoping to make players fold the turn? Describe to me what you think a "value bet" is
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05-30-2018 , 06:34 PM
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When I look at the turn jam, I’m betting 180 into 241.
If they only call 50% of the time the expected return is 120.5-90 = +30.5.
LOL NO!

On this dry board, against 3 players all showing interest you will never ever make profit with this play in the long run. It's just pure spew and a losing play.

You can call flop and reevaluate ott. If 2 or 3 players are still interested ott its an ez fold with your TPNK.

"I block top pair, there are very few two pair, and the only sets are 4s and 8s." ?

What do you think the other players have???
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05-30-2018 , 06:45 PM
Great! That’s what I was wondering. It’s a losing play.

Normal players I think have me crushed, against these specific players I felt like 4x, 8x, kx, 56, 57, and 67 were too much of their range.

I only took this line because they were floating everything and it was the first good hand I had seen in an hour. That’s typically a bad reason to make a decision lol. Thanks for your help.
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05-30-2018 , 06:46 PM
It’s not a troll post I’m just an idiot sometimes.
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05-30-2018 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dtrain555
Great! That’s what I was wondering. It’s a losing play.

Normal players I think have me crushed, against these specific players I felt like 4x, 8x, kx, 56, 57, and 67 were too much of their range.

I only took this line because they were floating everything and it was the first good hand I had seen in an hour. That’s typically a bad reason to make a decision lol. Thanks for your help.
You have TP. If they're floating all this garbage why turn your hand into a bluff??? I don't get the flop raise at all, and the turn shove after THREE (!) guys call your x/r you really think all three are folding more than 50%??

To a sane player it does look like you have a set here. X/r flop, shove turn with no real draws present or even 2p (though if you play K9o I guess you could have K8 lol). I doubt it occurred to them you were going nuts with TPWK.

Still...most guys are going to call with KQ here at this level. And your table image is now "aggrofish" if you showed your hand (please tell me you didn't!), in which case you're going to have zero FE the rest of the night.

BTW how do you know these guys float 50% of flops? Are these hands all going to showdown?
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05-30-2018 , 07:58 PM
So it’s the complete opposite of the correct line.
I want to get value from 4x, 8x, kx, and gutters not force them out and make the only hands that call me better than mine.

Thanks, sometimes I’m a dumbass, I was just looking at the result going oh it worked therefore it must be correct.
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05-30-2018 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dtrain555
Hey! First post, made it just for this hand because I am looking for how other people view this.



So I have $250 at 1/2.

I’m in Bb with k9o and have been playing tight.



Utg raises to 15, he gets two lp callers.

Utg has been raising a lot even from early position with marginal hands (suited connectors) and the two callers have floated well over 50% flops they see.



So I call with k9o, I think this is a bad hand oop but I am closing the action.



Flop is k84r



I check, utg bets 15 into 61.

Both players limp so I raise to 45 to protect and charge the limpers.



Everyone calls, now I’m a little worried.



the turn is a 2. I jam and everyone folds. So I scoop 241.

Utg said he had kq and he thought I had a set.



I feel like this is horrible and a losing play, but I lucked out this time. Thoughts?


The could be a good play depending on your image and the other players at the table as you are turning your hand into a bluff.
If you have a fish then he is not folding.
Situation dependent play




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