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Strategy and Etiquette Question (pocket Aces under the gun) Strategy and Etiquette Question (pocket Aces under the gun)

09-16-2018 , 06:02 PM
Playing at a dive of a casino. It's basically a barn with poker. 1-2 NL 200 Max buy In.

I have about 220 in front of me. I have been Playing "small ball", lots of pre flop raises to $7, with hands like Small pairs, Suited connectors, ace-rag suited.

I am under the gun, villain 1 in middle position is a loose player. Player 2 in the cutoff, is an older guy, seems like a rock. Player 3 is on the button. 3 is by far the most aggressive and loose player.

I look down and find pocket aces. I make it $7 to go, my standard bet, hiding my hand. Player 1 raises to $35. Player 2 pauses for about 3 minutes and then finally calls. Player 3 snap calls.

I decide I am out of position and the pot is big enough. I re-raise to $125.

Player 1 yells out " way to totally misplay Aces Chicken ****" then folds. Player 2 folds. Player 3 thinks for a minute and then folds.

Did I play this well? Also what should the casino be doing about the player calling out my hand?
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09-16-2018 , 06:41 PM
You had 220 before the hand. Afterward, you have 328. I think that's a decent result with AA.

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Originally Posted by thenewoldpro
and the pot is big enough.
This is the only flaw in your thinking. This is fish thinking. The pot is never "big enough".
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09-16-2018 , 06:47 PM
Aces aren't the only hand someone would 4! The pot with are they? If that's what villain thinks, sweet. You just found a profitable 4! Bluff candidate. Anyway...

A lot of what you do will have a number of variables. How often you play here... What your tolerance for confrontation is... Stuff like that. I've never been to a casino where this behavior was allowed. I have seen it overlooked if both villains know each other, etc... He can't say something that influences action, which he did. You could call the floor, from my experience he usually gets a penalty... Like sitting out for an orbit. Something like that. Realistically that's probably the most hello get unless it's a habitual thing.

There's another side to this that's more profitable than that though. You could tilt him out. If he's making commits like that, it sounds like it wouldn't be too hard. Today your hand in the much and say something like "Way to overfold to 10 high, chicken ****" or compliment his fold and reassure him that his money's always good here. Winning a decent pot and saying that his money's always good here, had tilted more fish than I can count.
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09-16-2018 , 08:39 PM
Yeah, it's fine. I'm not looking to go four ways here by flatting.

I probably just 4-bet jam pre given your stack, and hope someone thinks it's a fishy AK or JJ, and calls you off with AK/QQ/JJ.

I think player 1 is completely out of order saying that with others left to play, but if you make a fuss it will be worse.

I muck my cards, smile, and say "Good Fold"
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09-17-2018 , 06:24 AM
The casino should do nothing. You should start 4 betting a lot more in this situation until somebody decides you don't have only AA.
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09-17-2018 , 08:22 AM
In my casino talking about the hand when the hand is in progress and multiway is against the rules. This guy would be sanctioned. Anything from a 2-hand penalty sit out to being banned for the day. If he'd been sanctioned for the same thing previously he might get banned for 3minths or permanently banned from the game.

Sometimes a particularly jovial table starts chatting **** during hands and the dealer let's everyone off with a minor telling-off. However, that's when he chat is VS and not adversely affecting anyone's game.

This douche bag on the other hand has loudly announced his read to all the remaining players - some of whom may have been happy to go with their hand otherwise. That's way, way, way out of line. Personally I'd demand the guy be sanctioned heavily, partly to induce tilt but also because I'm ****ing furious and if he's not sanctioned I'm going to want to get up and shove his stack down his stupid throat.
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09-17-2018 , 08:25 AM
Etiquette question: is forcing someone to ingest/inhale their own chipstack for ****ing up your hand a sanctionable violation of the rules?
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09-17-2018 , 02:09 PM
I like just shipping instead of value raising. I'd ship with AK, KK, QQ, possibly AQs and a few other timely bluffs. If you're shipping those hands, might as well ship AA
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09-17-2018 , 02:27 PM
It's generally against most house rules to speculate on a hand when the pot is not heads up (or sometimes even when heads up). So the casino could decide to warn the player for this behavior and at some point discipline them (although not sure how that works when you're not in a tournament).

I would probably mention to the player after the hand that they shouldn't speculate when there are other players left to act and leave it at that unless it becomes a pattern, at which point I would tell the dealer or floor-person about it.
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09-17-2018 , 02:50 PM
Do you really think you misplayed aces by 4betting after 4 people have entered the pot?

Usually these low quality rooms attract low quality players. I don't think you should worry about it too much.
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09-17-2018 , 04:03 PM
Speculating about hands is bad, particularly if anybody else is still in the hand. Usually it's just ignored, if repeated the dealer might say something. The most excessive might get a warning from the floor if they irritate multiple dealers. I have never actually seen somebody removed for this. It's one of those situations that the people doing this are invariably bad players. It's in the interest of the casino and the better players that that bad players continue to play, so only the ones so bad that they start driving people off might get a response.
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09-17-2018 , 04:38 PM
As for the actual hand, you should just jam preflop. A pot sized raise would be to like $175 or so and you only have $220.
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09-17-2018 , 04:56 PM
This weekend I was playing 1-2 and was pretty card dead for most of the nearly 5 hours I was there. My stack was generally fluctuating between $300 (max buy-in) and $375.

I'm in the 4 seat and get AA UTG and raise to $11 (standard EP raise was $8-$12)...everyone folds.

A MAWG in the 1 seat (directly facing me) with a $400 stack who is probably playing 50/15 hisses "I didn't call you because you don't give me any action."

"OK...although I'm assuming if you folded you had a crap hand."

"I had 42s."

"I stand corrected."
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09-17-2018 , 05:00 PM
^ lol
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09-18-2018 , 03:29 PM
If I only played AA and had this result 100% of the time, I'd be a 7bb/hr winning player at my casino.

You played the hand fine.
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09-19-2018 , 02:37 PM
Shove pre
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09-19-2018 , 05:03 PM
As long as you raise then you played the hand fine. Tell the person who said something to ead. If the v is a reg or if you plan on playing there for a long period of time you need to nip it in the bud. Especially if you are a known winner. Either call the floor and have them deal with it or check him in person in one form or another.

Whatever you do, do NOT do nothing b/c if you dont put an end to it I promise it will continue and in many cases will only be the beginning of a long stretch of angling obnoxious behavior.
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09-19-2018 , 05:12 PM
I think calling floor will just reinforce in everybody's mind that you really did have Aces and make you look a bit nitty.

Way better in this type of environment to try and make a joke/act lighthearted about the situation and ideally bluff this guy off a hand in a few orbits and when he says yeah nice way to play your set idiot and folds stick your gutshot draw in his face and see how he likes it.
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09-20-2018 , 04:11 PM
Yes it's out of order to verbally hand read with other people to play. I agree that if you stand on your rights here, you will just look like a nit getting huffy. I would go with the smile 'good fold' approach.

Hand is played fine. Also, +54bb uncontested is a good result even for AA. I would take a deal to get paid 54bb every time I get AA if I have to muck it face up preflop.
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09-20-2018 , 05:10 PM
Tell him you had sex with his wife.
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09-21-2018 , 11:28 AM
Same casino, last night.

The player to my left sits down, he looks around 65 years old, tall, white hair, a little chubby. He bought in for the minimum, I believe, $60.

He's very tight, only involved with a few hands, but comments on everybody's hands. I give him a dirty look as he talks about my hand.

He does the same to the guy on his left and he flips out. " Don't you "bleeping" talk about my "bleeping" hand!!!!"

The dealer does nothing. Eventually he wins a big pot and walks away.
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09-21-2018 , 12:47 PM
Firstly, I wouldn't take his words at face value and start 4 bet bluffing on that alone.

I doubt he folded kk. He had a speculative hand and really wanted to see the flop. He is angry and venting because now you've taken away his chance to gamble.

Etiquette and rules vary from room to room. It can be frustrating but it doesn't usually matter much. I doubt any one else folded kk either.

A lot of times low standards on etiquette and behavior correlate to lower levels of play, both individually and for the room. So it's best just to not worry about it unless you prioritize such things over making money, which some do.
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