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Strategies for playing against short stacks Strategies for playing against short stacks

12-06-2015 , 03:50 PM
1/2 NL full ring cash home game. There are 3 or 4 old timer regs that buy in for 50bb ($100) at a time or less, and they like to sit together. They usually like to limp for a cheap flop, and will call a pre-flop raise up to 5bb+1bb per limper, especially if they're already in the hand. I see them come in with hands are in the 67s+, and 22+ range.

I like to play a LAG style, playing 2-3 hands per orbit, usually in late position, typically raising pre-flop 5bb+1bb per limper, and c-betting most flops (depending on board texture and number of players in the hand). But this strategy doesn't seem to play well against all of these short stackers (It works much better later in the game when the stacks get deeper, and blinds go up to 1/3 NL). If any of these short stackers hit the board, they'll typically donk bet, become calling stations, or shove all-in.

Any thoughts on playing against these players?
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12-06-2015 , 05:24 PM
To a certain extent the short stacks simply force you to play a TAG game. You will have to tighten up your preflop range until stacks are deeper. That short and calling big preflop raises is bad but they are pot committed if they hit any part of board and that takes a big part of the LAG game out of play. Not just because you can't ever bluff them off a hand but because keeping your range wide doesn't work. It just makes your range weaker when villains are pot committed.

Don't try to push them out of hands preflop with hands that are going to flop top pair/mediocre kicker. Post flop don't bet unless you have a hand, with a good draw take the free card most of the time. If they donk just give up unless you have a good hand or strong potential because as soon as the put money in they are pot committed. Raise with fewer drawing hands and see flops as cheaply as possible when set mining. With middle pairs use a mix of raising and cheap set mining. Remember that with the short stacks you don't need to disguise your hand.
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12-07-2015 , 04:20 AM
This is a bad game to play in...Don't play their game. As an alternative - Simply out limp them! Only make min raises. A little pot here and a little pot there over time adds up.

About half the table is buying in short, then the rest of the table must be playing passively too. It's tough to be Tag on a passive table. They know what you hold, but you never know what they hold.

They fold, fold fold, and you maybe get the blinds. Then you lose a big hand, and it costs you more than you won from taking their blinds.

Let them limp, and limp along with them. When they get flop aggressive, you haven't let any information out on your hand, so that puts you in the driver seat. Fold or make 'em pay for their poor play.
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12-07-2015 , 04:26 AM
If I see 3 or more stacks under $100 in a 1/2 game I look for a table change. As mentioned, these short stacks really handcuff you. You can't really cbet without value. They will limp reraise/jam with big pairs and they will feel pot committed with any decent piece or draw and put you in akward spots or flipping coins for 50bb. IT negates your skill a bit because you rarely play to the river and you cant maneuver and really play poker.
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12-07-2015 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by d3rp
I like to play a LAG style
As said above, you will have difficulties playing this "style" against these short stackers. It is going to come down to whether you like winning or playing a certain style. Everyone says they want to win, but people who are addicted to playing a lot of hands have a hard time folding continually.

Good luck.
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12-07-2015 , 08:02 AM
Play tight and reduce your opening to a strict 3x, regardless of the numbers of limpers (just trust me). Bet 2/3 pot as default c-bet in heads-up or three-way pots.

Smile to yourself as the old timer's continually fold and lament about how they keep missing flops. But remember, you have to have solid openers, and don't auto-c-bet 100% of the time. Check back and see free turns every now and then; it'll lend your future c-bets more credence.

Seems to me that you're more concerned with outplaying these guys post-flop. You can still do that by playing small ball. It's no use raising 5x+ when they'll call anyway and play flop bingo. Keep the pots small and the SPR high. It's NL, you can always put more money in the pot in later streets when you develop a hand and then put the short stacks in a spot where they feel they have to commit.
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12-07-2015 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by d3rp
If any of these short stackers hit the board, they'll typically donk bet, become calling stations, or shove all-in.

Any thoughts on playing against these players?
Wanting to play LAG is dumb. Play the way that's best against the players. First, as QuadJ and Hardball47 said, you need to tighten up a bit. Secondly, all the tendencies you listed above are very exploitable, you just want to match them to specific players. Is Earl calling 3 streets with middle pair? Make a hand and take him to value town. Do Chuck and Dick donk when they have a made hand? Play them in position, punish their checks and don't call their donk bets without a strong hand...
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12-07-2015 , 10:03 AM
You can't play your normal LAG style against these players because you have little fold equity after the flop. They basically commit themselves to the pot once they call a cbet due to the small eff stacks. When you play a hand with them, be prepared to gii with TPTK, overpairs, etc. The small SPR increases the value of high cards and pairs, while dramatically reducing the value of small PP and drawing hands like SC.

I'd limp or fold with drawing hands and push premium PP/broadway hands
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12-07-2015 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by quemado
Don't play their game. As an alternative - Simply out limp them!
Uh, that's playing their game. Better to tighten up oop and play more in position. Don't limp, but you can get away with allot more 3-4x pot-builder raises since there's little 3-betting. Keep an eye on their hands, older folks tend to clinch or flex their hands allot when they hit (Caro says they're subconsiously guarding their stacks because they're about to play a pot).
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