1/3 NLHE

There are three villains in this story.

Villain 1 is an white businessman, in 50's/60's. He is wearing an expensive suit. From the table talk I gather he likes to play poker, but seems to be a recreational player. Other players at the table know him and are chatting with him about Omaha. He seems to be more of the conservative/passive type of player, but I haven't played with him for long.

Villain 2 is a 20 something Wog guy. Wog is aussie slang for someone of middle-estern origin. He is wearing new designer camo pants and top, has an expensive watch, and is wearing baseball cap. Looks and sounds like a stupid rich kid, and seems way over confident.

Villain 3 is a 30 something white guy. Looks like a tradesman. Has played a few pots and has quiet a stack. Haven't seen his hands at showdown.

Stacks are $300 effective

Hero is UTG and is dealt JJ.
We raise to $12.
Villain 1 calls from MP
Villain 2, on the button raises to $40
Villain 3, cold calls the $40 from the BB
Hero calls.

Pot is $133

Villain 1 now raises to $120
Villain 2 calls
Villain 3 calls

What would you do here?

Not folding. You’re getting nearly direct odds to set mine. Call makes sense, and make sure you flop a set or at least some sort of drawings equity.

With 100bb, I fold or shove.

Pot is about $400 and it costs Hero $80 to call for 5-1 pot odds. That's great odds....but......

Stack sizes matter a lot in this hand. It is not likely JJ is ahead going into the flop, given that V1 (who did the 4-betting) is a passive player. So hero is set mining, and he needs to win 7.5 * 80, or $600 to be a breakeven call. If Hero and the Vs only have $300 at the start of the hand, you don't have enough implied odds to make this a profitable call.

So tell us what the stack sizes are for Hero and each V.

I'm pretty sure if I put in $120 out of my $300 stack and folded on the flop, then a J hit the turn or river (or my JJ was good), I'd go on monkey tilt -- but that's me

I don’t go on monkey tilt, I show up on monkey-tilt and stay there.

Stack sizes are $300 effective. All villains had me covered.

I notice that almost every one is talking about trying to set mine. Is that really the main consideration?
There is $400 in the pot, and $80 to call. That's 5-1 on a call. each villain has $180 remaining. If one of them stack off that's a potential pot of $580 to win with the $80 call. That's 7.5-1.... not quiet enough to set-mine profitably. To make it profitable, at least two players will need to stack off on the flop, and given that 3 villains are seeing it, increases the chance of a set being cracked, even if we do hit. At the time of decision I had played with these guys for not very long.

I was expecting a discussion on whether or not to jam or fold.
What do we think Villain 1 is doing here? His behaviour seems strange.... if he was trying to trap me with a monster, why not raise more, now that there is plenty in the pot to attack?

Not everyone.

I'd just limp preflop in EP but then again I pretty much raise nothing from this spot, so whatever.

Has V2 been 3betting a lot? What's our image? The tighter our image, the less V2 has been 3betting, and the more aware he is that we just raised UTG, the more that continuing to just the 3bet alone is meh-ish.

If I've mathed right, if we can stack the limp/reraiser 100% of the time when we flop a set, we'll only be getting IO of 6.75:1. I fold.

ETA: Having said that, I don't play in Kangaroo games. But in the rest of the normal world, V1 has AA 99% of the time and a misread A4o 1%. Shoving is setting money on fire and we don't have the odds to setmine otherwise. But if he can somehow show up with something different in upside down games due to too much blood flowing away from his brains, then whatever. About the only way we're actually making money by continuing is for us to be up against AA+KK+QQ (which is actually kinda possible) and hit a J high flop; good luck with that, imo.

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It was the first time V2 had 3-bet, but he had only been at the table for 20 mins.

Hero's image is a tight one. I have only played a couple of pots, and got respect when I bet.

My read on V1 at the time was that he had AA, or KK. He looked very happy, especially when he got called in two spots, and saw me pondering what to do.

AP Hero folded. I think we've worked out that there was not quiet enough value to set mining in this spot, and shoving would not have any fold equity pre-flop.

What happened was that V1 checked the flop, V2 and V3 got it All In, and V1 folded.
V2 had 55 and won with a full house on the river, when he hit another 5.

V3 had a suited Ace.... he flopped a flush draw and hit it on the turn.

After the hand, V1 said that he had a broadway pair, but we never saw his cards. I am inclined to believe him, though.

Talk about ******ed.

I shove over the 3bet.

As played when it gets back to us we're probably always crushed by a bigger pocket pair but it's probably alright to setmine. It's close though.

I usually assume l/r from an unknown non-spewtard is KK+ 80% of the time, AK 15% and other stuff the remaining 5%.

But given the size of the pot, and that Hero is only 100bb in, I'ma rip it in now.

If Villain 2 and Villain 1 switched seats (i.e. rich middle eastern kid backraised to $120, I would shove), as it is I am folding (as there is no reason to believe that Villain 1 does not have QQ+ 90% of the time (if he backraised AK, he would probably shove or make it way bigger or just call).