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06-24-2015 , 02:17 PM
One of those strange spots that only comes up in live poker...

V1: middle aged businessman from Singapore in town for business. Very friendly and gives action. Hasn't been involved in many big pots but has made very loose pre flop calls, I.e. Called a raise to $15 and then a reraise to $45 with 24 suited.

V2: old white guy but doesn't seem to be a omc. Seen him get stacked twice at the table, both times he shoved into nut straights and mucked his cards.

1/3, utg straddles for $6. V2 limps to hero on button with KK, makes it $26. V1 calls in BB, straddle calls, V2 calls.

Flop is 9-7-6 rainbow. Checks to hero who makes it $45. V2 instantly declares all in for $148 from out of position despite two people to act in front. Due to table position it isn't clear if V1 hears the all in. V1 calls the $45, straddle folds and V2 shoved. I ask V1 if he knew V2 was going to shove, he says no. I call the $103 and V1 instantly shoves for an additional $150 on top.

Given the strange action do you call or do you assume that V1 played you?
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06-24-2015 , 02:25 PM
I'm trying to figure out why you would call and give Vil2 odds in the first place with all the obvious draws on board . This is shove or fold for you.

I have no stove, it seems close on the $150 I would run your hand against every 2 pair, set, straight, pair w straight draw and a couple top pair and over pair combos. I would think the equity is there against that range getting about 4.5:1 to call, but I'm only guessing.
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06-24-2015 , 02:26 PM
BTW w that range it doesn't matter if he 'played' us or not, it is still a pretty dicey move though from him imo.

It certainly looks as though he was fully aware that Vil 1 was jamming.
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06-24-2015 , 02:31 PM
I agree that it doesn't really matter. You should have raised the flop or folded.

As played, it's a tough one. You could be drawing completely dead. I probably call, though.
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06-24-2015 , 02:43 PM
Betting wayyyyy more on that wet flop to begin with.
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06-24-2015 , 05:26 PM
The out-of-position all-in is always the nuts. Find the fold.
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06-24-2015 , 05:42 PM
Duuude, bet more on the flop.
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06-24-2015 , 06:05 PM
Why are we calling the $103? Seems like a super standard fold to me.

Regardless of what V1 says, you just got raised on a fairly connected flop with players left to act behind you.

You really think V2 is shoving out of turn with a single pair?

I mean MAYBE we find the bottom of his range and he has a hand like 9T, which still has 33% equity vs KK.

Calling the $103 is a blunder, imo.
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06-24-2015 , 10:43 PM
So based upon the comments this is either a standard shove or a standard fold. Good job guys.

So I'd be shoving every time if not for the out of turn action. Now that the action has happened I think it is a much higher possibility that he has a strong hand than a drawing hand. If he saw the action he is calling to get it all in. I think by calling I can ensure that he has a drawing hand when he calls.

Results

Spoiler:
V2 spazz shoved with A-9 and V1 re shoved with 88. Run out blanked.
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06-25-2015 , 08:49 AM
Nice job!
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06-25-2015 , 01:27 PM
It's still a bad call. No need to be results oriented. You ran into the bottom of two players' ranges, and got lucky.

This was your best case scenario, and you're still only marginally ahead of 88.
You have 43.5% equity, and 88 has 39% equity.
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06-25-2015 , 01:38 PM
...pre make it around $30 and not an odd number like $26.

OTF make it $65ish because your weak bet has made it possible to induce. Don't flat the shove either repop or fold. Acting out of turn is a sure fire sign of a monster but if you bet more OTF it's a fairly easy over shove. I don't think V1 is too strong and sees more money in the pot. I am way more concerned with V2 acting out of turn. V2 could easily be sitting on 2p+ and it's gonna be costly to find out.
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