Nine-handed 1/3 table at Harrah’s New Orleans

Pretty straightforward hand, but fun to get opinions.

Hero (covers): MAWW, drinking, having fun, making jokes, etc. (sitting next to my husband). Playing pretty tight and straightforward, and I have picked off a bluff or two. I have not been caught bluffing or with bad hands.

V ($500): YWG. His fiancé is sitting next to him. They are also drinking and having fun. My husband took a big win off of him earlier, and I’ve won a few pots from him. Definitely a rec player but has played before and seems to know a little about poker.

OTTH:

V raises to $12, from UTG+1, one MP caller, I call from BTN with Ac2c.

Flop (~$36) 327 rainbow.

V bets $15, fold, Hero calls.

Turn ($66) 9 327 w/ non-club flush draw

V checks, Hero checks (does anyone take a stab?)

River ($66) 6 9327 (no flush)

V bets $35, Hero? Snap? Give it up? Raise

Anyone play it differently to the river?

I'd typically like more callers preflop for better IO postflop, but in position and hopefully inviting blinds along and for relatively cheap, can't hate.

Flop call is pretty meh unless we think this guy is raising in EP and cbetting air multiway a lot. We have low IO on overcard A and so are really just banking on 2-outer duece or being able to steal the pot on a later street (where there are no real draws to rep).

By the turn, what do we make of a weak < 1/2 PSB cbet and a turn check? At this point, I'm more leaning towards he has air, so I'd probably bet a small protecting bet (no more than 1/2 PSB and perhaps even just a 1/3 PSB). If we think he's capable of playing an overpair like this then check back is fine (but this makes flop very dicey).

By the river, if he shows up with an overpair, he's played it very well, imo. Which makes preflop/flop pretty meh (as obviously we're not making very much off this guy when we get lucky), and even moreso if we end up paying off a better hand with lol 5th pair. Does anyone really bluff here enough after checking the turn? What are we repping if we raise?

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Preflop OTB against an exploitable V I’m probably calling, maybe 3b’ing, rarely folding. Definitely calling the flop. Probably betting turn most of the time which should also give me a free river and I check back.

AP call but probably not too different than folding. Rarely if ever bluff raising river.

If Villain ends up having an overpair, I'm not so sure it's us who's doing the exploiting.

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If you are going to stab on this turn, then it has to be with the intention of double barreling most rivers.

Frankly, I probably just fold the flop especially if it doesn't have a club.

AP I fold the river. I mean I suppose V has a lot of Ace High hands in his range (although fewer since we hold an Ace) but I doubt we are good the ~33% of the time we need to be to make this call on such a ragged board. It is probably close actually.

I would assume V has a lot of Broadway cards here. Can’t see him checking the turn with an OP. Bottom of my calling range is AK, maybe AQ if i’m Feeling it.

How did you and your husband win against the villain. Was he overplaying his hand and you trapped him? Was he calling down with weak hands?

Calling down with 5th pair is not the usual way to riches in LLSNL. Just keep in mind that if he bet with ace high, he'd play a pair of 3s and 7s the same way.

I go $45 on the turn. As played, I'm just giving it up on the river. We have so many better bluff catchers, and I hate trying to bluff rec players for the most part.

I'd bet turn if I floated flop, AP I fold river and chuckle if he shows the bluff which any drinking rec will do lol

I’d just raise flop, many V’s have a tendency to overcbet and we have decent equity when called. I suspect many V’s and people in the forums will be folding to a raise otf >40% at least. If they’re range cbetting (which a good amount of people/regs do but they shouldnt) raising here is literally printing $$

You can get many better hands to fold like 44-66. Possibly 88-1010 half the time.

Also if you’re going to x turn then you’re giving two free cards for V to imrpove and a chance for V to stab at it with bluffs otr, and yourself a chance to make a bad call or a bad fold

I would raise A2 here before a PP tho, for many reasons but not getting too deep into that

How about fold flop

Please explain - aren’t we pretty much always facing overpairs / sets if we get called on such a dry / raggedy board? How do we have good equity against this calling range?

I am in the fold flop camp.

As played, this would be an absolutely suicidal bluff by Villain. You should always have at least a pair here, and I don't think his sizing is designed to make you fold a pair. So I can let this go. I'm occasionally going to show up here with a straight and also with a better pair, so if he's bluffing this time, that's fine.

I didnt say we had good equity.

If we’re only getting called by overpairs and sets, against general population bluff raise with bottom pair is printing since a lot of ppl usually overcbet this board.

Vs an overpair that isnt AA, we have 5 outs twice which is “decent” in my books.

I considered raising the flop.

Once he checked turn, I figured my pair was good. Probably should have bet, but figured I'd see a river and planned to call most non-broadway cards if he bet. I thought that was the best way to make a little more.

I basically snapped and he had ATo.

I'm shocked so many people would have folded the flop. Might as well fold pre-flop (which I'm never doing vs. this guy).

It was fun playing with people I don't know. I was reminded of how terrible the average 1/2 and 1/3 player is. So much limping and limp/calling pre. So many c-bets. Almost no raising, especially after the flop, lots of check/calling and checking down. I promise, LLNL is alive and well!

(Of course, the 15/30 Omaha players were just as bad.)

Pre either 3b or fold. Flatting here is the worst option. Are you going to call 3 barrels on an A hi flop?

As played, river is an easy call.

LOL. Calling pre is fine. 3betting is fine. Folding is pretty bad unless you aren't comfortable post (and are planning to fold to a c-bet on this flop).

Who said anything about calling down three streets on an A-high flop? That would be pretty stupid.

Are you comfortable post? You made a thread where you flopped bottom pair then asked if you're calling a 1/2 psb otr after the turn checked thru.

I am very comfortable. I wasn't asking for advice; I was sharing a straightforward hand to get other opinions and discussion because it's interesting and we all want to learn and see how others play. I bought it for $300 and cashed out for $1,770+, so very comfortable, thanks.

lol exactly. Straight forward. Don't let your head explode from it. Obv your **** is bigger than mine

Winrates and BBV is that way >>>

By **** obviously you mean winrate?

Already posted my stats this year in Winrates thread -- have a look.

Wow, what a disaster this thread is.

So we have A2s, 170bb deep, OTB, and folks want to 3b or fold pre? LOL what?!

We flop BPTK on a dry board that hits us and misses PFR, and folks want to fold to 1 bet at 42% of pot? LMFAO! GG has infected this forum. smh...

Hero played it fine.

3B pre is not terrible, but meh I don't bother w/o lots of history.

Betting OTT or raising OTR is meh.

Played fine IMO.

I've lost count of the number of time rec players pull the "cbet flop - check turn - bluff river" line. If they're loose preflop they have to have way more AX and Broadway hands than pairs in their range and so if they cbet flop at a high frequency they're mostly unpaired at flop on boards with no card >= T.

If they had top pair or better they'd go bet-bet-bet. If they had a pair below top pair they'd go check-bet-bet or check-bet-check as they frequently check flop to see if you want to bet it (whereupon they call at least two streets lol).

When they play this bad postflop it's criminal to 3bet IP preflop and give them a chance to fold.