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Stepping out of line with AT offsuit Stepping out of line with AT offsuit

09-04-2017 , 08:41 PM
1/2 , 9 handed

Villain 1: tight older guy. When he raises to 7 it's usually (maybe always) weak, and he'll often fold to a reraise.

Villain 2: Very good winner in the game. No major imbalances. Capable of 3 betting light.

Folds to villain 1 ($150) who raises to 7 in ep
Mp calls
Hero flats in mp with AJ. ($355)
Villain 2 raises to $35 (covers)
Folds to hero who calls

This felt a little fishy, so maybe I should fold whole range here. Felt like I was ahead of his squeeze range but maybe that's not enough to justify a call.

Flop $80
234

Hero checks, villain bets $60, hero calls

Turn $200
234A

Hero checks, check

River $200
234A5

Hero shoves $260
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09-04-2017 , 09:02 PM
What? - domination..., domino..., Domini,... Dominican Republic

AJo not ATo ... or it feels like Blackjack? - I mean, hell, you got the winning hand, how can you lose? - How can anyone lose?

Horrific play -

Last edited by outdonked; 09-04-2017 at 09:09 PM.
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09-04-2017 , 09:14 PM
AP, river shove is fine. He's calling often for a chop and folding sometimes.

However, wtf are you doing in here with AJo? Fold every street lol.
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09-04-2017 , 10:35 PM
I'm OK with this as played, especially I'd villan is 3!ing light and this does look like a decent squeeze spot if villan has picked up same sizing tell as you.
Flop, ok we miss, but ahigh can still be good a decent% of the time.
I like the turn check.
River shove I think is ok vs most villans, would need a better handle on this villan to really determine the best option, we have so few 6s in our range, villan could still turn up with a6,66 or 67 so we should be wary, especially as we just are never getting many folds as what 6 do we call the 3! With?
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09-05-2017 , 01:56 AM
Fold to the $7 bet.

AP fold to the $35 bet. Do we really think V2 has a squeezing range against an EP open and MP call? If so he's not betting nearly enough.

Flop...meh. X/f is fine I guess, but I think I might bluff here. Hard for villain to call without a big overpair. But x/c is spew. You have literally the worst straight draw you could possibly have and probably zero implied odds if you hit.

Turn check fine. Try to get to showdown.

River...hmm. You get snapped by a 6 obviously. Anything else may or may not call.

So...how likely is V2 to have hands like A6s and 76s in his 3-betting range? From your description it's pretty likely. If he's squeezing a lot he's probably doing so with SCs and AXs a lot. Let's guess his range is {66+,A2s+,KQs,98s,87s,76s,65s,AQo+}, any of which are consistent with the action so far.

You're actually 42% against this range, despite giving him a zillion Aces which are nullified by this board. So there are 98 combos in this range, 15 of which have one or more 6.

Let's solve for how often we need villain to fold his "No 6" hands for this shove to be profitable. When chopped you win 100 - rake which we'll call 97. But first let's look at another line.

Checking is not break even. If we expect villain to check behind without a 6 and bet with a 6 (and we fold to a bet), then checking is worth

EV(check) = 73/98*97 = 72.25

So we want to know when the shove is worth more than the alternative line

EV(shove) = 73/98*(x*(200) + (1-x)*(97)) - 15/98*(260)

72.25 = 73/98*(x*(200) + (1-x)*(97)) - 15/98*(260)

x = .52

So we need villain to fold more than 52% for the shove to be a better line. Of course we're assuming villain plays straightforwardly. If he bluff jams himself sometimes when checked to and we bluff catch, that line could be worth more or less than 72.25 depending exactly how often he's bluffing vs. betting a 6.

But let's not overly complicate things. I'd say you need villain folding around half the time for this to be a good line. So it's entirely read dependent. It's a weird spot. Some villains will fold 100% without a 6 here, others hardly ever.
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09-05-2017 , 07:40 AM
no, no and no.

I first don't like your flat PF. I prefer 3betting here (or folding is fine as well). You said V1 raise is probably weak right? Then remember him not to do that from EP. After your flat, you have to fold to V2 3bet. He may be doing that light, but he has position and you showed him your hand is not super strong. So fold.

Flop you are playing a guessing game. Fold to his cbet.

River wtf???
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09-05-2017 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by niceguy22
Villain 1: tight older guy. When he raises to 7 it's usually (maybe always) weak, and he'll often fold to a reraise.

Villain 2: Very good winner in the game. No major imbalances. Capable of 3 betting light.
You make a case for 3-betting it pre yourself.

Though V2 is capable of 3ing light, the problem with calling $35 OOP is that you're playing a guessing game the whole time postflop, and you have little fold equity. Fold to the reraise, without a doubt.

er...what druid said
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09-06-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by niceguy22

This felt a little fishy, so maybe I should fold whole range here. Felt like I was ahead of his squeeze range but maybe that's not enough to justify a call.
I agree with this exactly. I would rather 3b AJ ourselves in position. When we flat and SB 3bets, I think we can fold this hand. I would rather be calling with 88-JJ and hands like 98s and A4ss, making it easy to fold AJ in this spot. Oh well, I don't think calling is that bad.

As played, I like the river jam assuming V2 never has 66 or something like A6s in this spot. Meh, yeah idk. I think V2 could have A6 suited here. This is a good hand to 3bet as a squeeze. Standard cbet with inside straight draw. Check back the turn after hitting an Ace which you could also have. Meh yeah, idk about jamming river now that I think about it because V2 can have a 6 here, albeit not very many, but still.
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