2/3 table

super deep I have 1.2k villian has me covered.

Different table to previous hand. Villian is an old asian guy that seems to know what he is doing.

4 limps preflop and I am in the cutoff with AKs . I decide to make it 38 to go.

( I have shown a few bluffs I think I will get callers with worth holdings even though its a huge raise)

I get 2 callers 122 in the pot to the flop

FLOP - A 2 3 with FD on board ( not mine)

Checked to me by both I bet 100 . I get one fold and the old guy next to me check raises me to $200.

Saw him call a raise that big with q10. so a2 and a3 are possible. I think 22 33 possible. and all aces possible.

I flat and we see a turn. 6 . He leads $200. I flat again.

I asked him what he has he said 2 pair fairly geniunely.

10 on the river. FD didn't complete. He leads out $50 LOL

Retarted blocker bet if I ever saw one. So I cant fold here I call.

MY question is.

IS anybody re raising flop?

raising turn?

folding at any stage?

any sick value raises on river after that week bet?

Will post what he had later.

I am not sure how to play top top so deep!

Min raise from an 'old' player ... ding, ding ... Not raising here too much as only hands that beat you are continuing IMO. Then he leads out on a blank ... he has to know you have an Ace or draw when you flat and yet he still leads ... This is the spot to fold if you are going to do so, you only have one pair and are banking on a cheap showdown.

Once he verbally says he has 2 pair and still leads out ... I don't blame you for paying him off, but this is bad news pretty much all the time.

1) Never 3-betting the Flop
2) AP, if folding it's on the Turn
3) AP, calling down the blocker bet with 'some' showdown value ... he knows you aren't calling another $200. GL

Was the Ace on board one of the cards suited to the flush draw? If so, it makes my statement below even more relevant

I actually don't mind checking behind on the flop:


You made a substantial raise pf which built a fairly large 3 way pot. At this point in a super deep game, people are playing for the implied odds of your stack, and you don't want to put yourself in a position to play for a big portion of your stack with a tptk hand

If the turn comes blank, you can fire a bullet b/c people are much less likely to chase a flush or straight draw with one card to come when you price them out.
If a scare card does come, you can use your hand as a bluff-catcher on the remaining streets.

I think it's fine. You could fold the turn if there's no chance he's doing this with a naked Ace, but some old guys (sorry ageist) will limp with AQ/AJ because it's a 'drawing hand' but call a big preflop raise and then play it like it's the nuts post. If he had bet like $300+ on the river it's a fold there.

$50 on the river would actually give me a little hope but not enough to raise it.

Thanks for feedback. Villian had aq off in this hand.

I can fold the flop to some of the old regs in my game. Without reads I think you have to call the flop. Turn is close. I'm never raising.

Checking the flop for pot control seems way to nitty.

Why not start talking to him on the flop or turn?

It's amazing how often players will tell you what they have if you are a nice guy and just ask.

Well he said 2 pair but had 1 pair lol. I hate check flop because my c bet percentage was like 100% that session. So checking looks to strong from me..

Lol. Now you know for sure I posted before reading results. Lol.

He will probably lie about his hand in the future. One guys I play with who apparently plays for a living( and employs a short stacking strategy at $1/$2, lolz) always lies about his hand and the specific card he mentions will never be in his hand. So if he says he has kings he doesn't have a pair nor AK, KQ, KJ. Helps me a lot to make hero calls getting 2:1 or whatever because I can be pretty sure I am not dominated or if I have a pair I'm flipping.

He always calls me a donkey when I call with my little pair and he has AK or AQ. Too funny.

I'll preface by saying I have a difficult time with deepstack.

If we're raising preflop, I like our attempt at trying to narrow the field with the big raise (it's the first post I've responded to this morning that has attempted this).

SPR is about 10, which is a fairly manageable SPR 3ways. I think we have two options. If we're fairly comfortable folding to a check/raise, I think we could just bet/bet/bet and fold if raised; we don't want to bet much on each street cuz we don't want to commit ourselves, just little 1/2 PSBs for value and to charge draws. Another option, especially if we're uncomfortable folding to a check/raise, is to pot control (or setup a bluff catcher if opponents are aggro). Since we're in position on the flop and it's checked to us, we could guarantee pot control right away and simply check behind. This is a little risky due to there being some scare cards, but we're only up against two opponents; a lot of the time they could be drawing to just 2 outs / drawing dead. I'd probably take the latter route but it is opponent dependent.

If we are leading, I don't think there is any reason to lead so big. Bigger bets on early streets will unwittingly commit us by the river (a spot we don't want to be in). As played, I fold. If we weren't comfortable folding to the check/raise, we shouldn't have bet to begin with.

What's our plan? By the river, the pot is like $920 and we only have $780 left. We sure are building a *massive* pot with just TP. Is our plan to stack off postflop with just TPTK having gotten in a lol 3% of our stack preflop? Thank god the river bet is so small and we can showdown our hand, but man we built a HUGE pot with a very SMALL hand.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Why? I'm perfectly fine looking for 2 streets of value on this board, particularly when its multiway and the pot is already large on the flop. I know we're not strictly WA/WB because of the flush draw, but it's fairly close to that.

+1, imo

GcluelessNLnoobG

As played I think you did fine. I would fold the turn if I have a read that villain doesn't x-raise flop and then lead out on turn unless he has great value (being old can definitely be an indicator of this - but old asians who know what they're doing, as you said, typically don't fall into this category).

I'm not raising on any street unless I have reads that the x-raiser on the flop does that with draws much more often than he should (draw heavy board here).

I also +1 checking the flop. We're deep I don't want to build a big pot and have to make a decision for a lot of money with only tptk. Plenty of value to still be made on last two streets given we already have 122 in the pot. Bet flop 30% of time and check behind 70% IMO with these stack sizes.