my stack doesn't matter villian has around 270. 2/3 blinds.

Table is limping around a bunch but then all calling $20 raises. My last raise attracted 6 callers.

Its fully limped around I am on the button with AK . I make it 28 to go.
Get to flats rest folds.

flop. a 3 10 two hearts


checks to me I fire $70.

Middle postion young guy flats. Old guy folds.

5 on the turn. I bet $110 He flats again

10 repeats on river he has about $90 left. Flush draw completes too

He checks to me but it looked like he wanted to bet.. I check behind on the of chance flush draw completing or 10 got there. Smart young kid think he could check a 10 or a flush thinking I will shove but not sure!

Should I be shoving for value after that check? Will post his hand later.

You must have been watching the table if you know the table was limp/calling raises.

The issue here is what is calling you that you beat? The bet size is pretty trivial with $500+ in the pot if you put him all in. My guess is that you are good at least 25% of the time and you should put it in.

The other issue would be what is going to fold (that you beat) if you bet? Not really much now that the board paired ... A3 just got hosed and should know to fold. I can't really think of too many hands that are folding that you beat. So you really have zero FE in this spot.

You say he's smart .. Does he know you are going to fold to this board if he bets out? Have you seen him c/c and then lead River with 'bad' cards?

I can see checking here in some cases since I really don't know what would call you down that you beat other than Ax ... but that would apply only when I don't want to get c/r. That wont be the case here so you just have to evaluate .. nothing wrong with a showdown as the board got 'double' bad and you are up against a 'smart' player who will see the board. If he is smart he will see the calling odds you are offering and it's probably the right thing to do, but only at this price. GL

[QUOTE=answer20;47472220]You must have been watching the table if you know the table was limp/calling raises.

sorry. I was going to write two ak hands in the one post but I made a new one for the other. I ment first hand of 2. It wasnt my first hand at the table

I was thinking He might call with any ace especially aq aj . He has put 208 in already.

Those hands 'should' be calling since they now have a better hand with a decent kicker. The issue is does that make up 20% of his total calling range? My though is that Ax with bad kickers will fold out a bit once this River, so that reduces the calling range that you beat.

This comes down to any history between you guys and mainly his image of you and what he thinks your image of him is.
1) Does he think you would fold if he bets?
2) Does he not want to show his cards?
3) How often do you use 'live' tells with this player .. or at all?

Although your Turn bet was 'fine' it may have just been a case where you shove at that point since you give him credit for being 'smart' and you avoid giving a decent draw to the flush (which was about right size I think). GL

Check this back. Really he shouldn't be checking a hand better than AK here with only a 1/4 PSB left, but people suck and you seem to have a physical read that he has a big hand.

Thanks for feesback. He had aj and told me he was snap calling if i shoved. Thought i moght have missed value

Hah, he got you to check with the 'ole "I want you to bet when the board changes" routine. I guess this was a reverse tell.

I would've fallen for it too. 80% of the time I've seen this tell they just improved on the river.

As for the "sigh, shake head, check" routine, that's 100% flush so far in my experience.

Hand looks wp although not totally sure. Getting loads of value from flush draws, AQ-AT. This is how it's done at LLSNL. However, we don't know how many players called or how big the pot was on the flop.

Unless you read strength, just shove. He isn't checkling a flush Anderson a ten is unlikely. Any ace is making a crying call here. I think you are ahead more than 50% of the time he calls you here.

Edit: didn't see results before I posted. Pinkie swear.

One of the regs I play with does this in every hand on every street when he is confident he is best. Lolz.

A lot of people do this unconsciously. Super reliable tell IMO.

I agree with shoving if not for the tell. The tell makes me think we are behind >50% of the time which makes it a negative value bet.

Depends if you have the Kh. Easier to shove river if A on board is heart AND you have the K blocker. See what I'm saying?

How wide is that kid really calling for $28? KQs (sure) QJs? Q10s? You crush just about anything else that should legitimately be in his calling range. Other than A10 and 1010 obviously

As a general rule, if you get 10% of your stack in pre-flop with AK, and you flop an ace or king, you should be able to play for stacks.

Rare exceptions exist like if the flop comes Ks6s2s and you have no spade.

You didn't include the pot-size in your original post, but I think your turn bet needs to be much larger: three/quarters pot or so.

Since he only has $90 left in a 500+ pot..you gotta figure if he hits his flush he's def betting on the river he'd be an idiot not to..unless he has 3 tens and is scared of the flush...it's safe to say he has an ace weaker than yours

He shook his head and sighed cause everything that he was able to beat on the flop and turn now beats him on the river

I'm assuming our stack covers Villain.

Nice job raising to a size that has a chance at narrowing the field on this loose table, plus getting in 10% of stacks preflop versus the lone caller, imo. (action is confusing, did this go 3ways? anyways, still good)

Thanks to preflop, we've setup a straightforward situation when we flop TP. The SPR is ~4, the board is drawy, so let's just get this done with 2 PSBs. So I pot the flop to shove the turn.

Action is confusing, but whether we went HU or 3way, the pot should be big enough by the turn / board drawy enough that the only bet size on the turn should be a shove. Leaving behind a bet river which is smaller than our turn bet (and *way* more smaller in terms of percentage of the pot) indicates we've probably made a mistake, especially if we're committed (which, thanks to preflop and flopping TP with this SPR, we are).

ETA: As played, I get the rest in on the river as Villain is getting a lol 5 (or 6?) to 1 and will never be able to fold an Ace at this point (ETA#2: just noticed the flush draw completed, so maybe meh). But this money should have went in on the turn (especially since this is the last street a draw gets their money in).

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