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Old 01-28-2014, 04:33 PM   #1
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Standard spots?

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Player opens 8 on button. I call with KQ on SB, BB calls. Flop dry Ace. Button bets 15 and I fold. Think fairly standard.

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Same player opens 8 on CO next hand. I call on button with ATss. Same other villain as previous hands calls from SB. I have approx 140, both cover.

Flop is T63 rainbow. (pot 26)

Checked to me, I bet 16. SB raise to 40 after not thinking much. Button folds. It was SB's second hand on the table. I think it is draw or worse Ts mostly. Folding or raising both seemed bad. I called IP.

Turn 9 (Board T639 with two hearts) Pot 106

SB bets 60. Don't think 9 changes much in terms of his hand range. T9 gets ahead of me. Only gutshot 78 reaches there. I have less than 100 in my stack. So I value shove. He calls. River whatever. MHIG

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I seat change later to get position on a good LAG and a spewy player. Villain with Hat (VwH) is the spewy playerlimps in CO. I have 67hh in SB and complete. OMC checks the option.

Flop 2c2d7c - Pot 6
checked down.

Turn 7d (2c2d7c7d) - Pot 6
I bet 5. OMC and VwH call.

River Ad (2c2d7c7dAd) - Pot 21
I bet 35. OMC mutters a lot, curses me a bit and then make it 100. VwH fold. Villain is muttering the whole time. I fold.

I have posted this in my pg&c thread too.
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Old 01-28-2014, 04:34 PM   #2
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Re: Standard spots?

btw this is for 1/2 if not obvious
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Old 01-28-2014, 04:38 PM   #3
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Re: Standard spots?

All standard but for the last one I think its a call.
Does he really have A7 or pocket 2 here... If he never bluff its a clear fold.
Depends on the OMC. Could be a call could be a fold.

If he never bluff etc, I fold because at best we split.
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Old 01-28-2014, 04:59 PM   #4
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Re: Standard spots?

You should call, since here are the likelihood of hands that I see villain holding based on your description of how things happened:

7x (chopped pot) - 35%
2x (worse full house) - 40%
A2 (worse full house, but more frustrating to villain, hence the river comment) - 10%
A7 (better full house) - 10%
22 (quads) - 5%
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Old 01-28-2014, 05:28 PM   #5
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Re: Standard spots?

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#1
Player opens 8 on button. I call with KQ on SB, BB calls. Flop dry Ace. Button bets 15 and I fold. Think fairly standard.....
Need villain description. If V is TAG-ish then his BTN open is with a wide range and you could actually 3-bet your KQ.

If V is OMC or nitty then calling with KQ is incorrect and this is a fold pre.

against donks, the KQ flat is fine

against all other typical ABC and weak type 1/2nl players, calling with KQ from the SB is meh to be honest. Too many players in 1/2nl only raise with AK, AQ, JJ+ type hands. Overall, I'm not thrilled with calling with KQ from the SB. You are going to miss the flop 70% of the time and have to fold.

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Same player opens 8 on CO next hand. I call on button with ATss. Same other villain as previous hands calls from SB. I have approx 140, both cover.

Flop is T63 rainbow. (pot 26)

Checked to me, I bet 16. SB raise to 40 after not thinking much. Button folds. It was SB's second hand on the table. I think it is draw or worse Ts mostly. Folding or raising both seemed bad. I called IP.

Turn 9 (Board T639 with two hearts) Pot 106

SB bets 60. Don't think 9 changes much in terms of his hand range. T9 gets ahead of me. Only gutshot 78 reaches there. I have less than 100 in my stack. So I value shove. He calls. River whatever. MHIG
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even though its only been a couple of hands, you really need to try to give us a description and a guesstimate of his competency level. Against typical LLSNL rec-fish, TPTK on dry boards is the near nuts, so the line is fine.


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I seat change later to get position on a good LAG and a spewy player. Villain with Hat (VwH) is the spewy playerlimps in CO. I have 67hh in SB and complete. OMC checks the option.

Flop 2c2d7c - Pot 6
checked down.

Turn 7d (2c2d7c7d) - Pot 6
I bet 5. OMC and VwH call.

River Ad (2c2d7c7dAd) - Pot 21
I bet 35. OMC mutters a lot, curses me a bit and then make it 100. VwH fold. Villain is muttering the whole time. I fold.
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wait, 7 on the turn and you fold. You only lose to AA and A7 and 22 and there is no way in hell OMC has AA here, so you only lose to A7 and 22 and you chop everything else and you beat ******ed twos. This is a crying call.
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Old 01-28-2014, 05:45 PM   #6
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@Rizzeedizzee: I doubt OMC do that with just a 2 but it is possible tilt spew as his hand becomes worse

@dgi: most of what u say is gospel to me. KQ hand the guy looks like a reg sitting deep and only trying to play IP. Think hand strength is decent to just fold but I am working a lot on not playing OOP so I guess either fold or 3 bet. Given my stack at that time 75bb, 3 bet and shove flop as viable option?

AT hand villain looked a bit antsy. Plus he had the overall demeanour of he is good ie not some clueless or purely rec guy.

guess then really messed up the 67 hand. 6 months back I was snapping it. But I have improved my hand reading a lot and I wasnt sure if calling 65 to win 45 is going to be profitable but from pure numbers my hand need to be good 60% of the time and he has 4 combo of A7 and one of 22 vs 12 combo of 7 given he is in BB. So only 30% of his pure value range scoop. I guess difficult to do the math on the table but it will surely help for next time.
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Old 01-28-2014, 05:46 PM   #7
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Re: Standard spots?

This is our opponents, folks. Sorry, OP....but, good lord.
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Old 01-28-2014, 07:33 PM   #8
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This is our opponents, folks. Sorry, OP....but, good lord.
is my game really horrible? my plan is to play higher and so am putting in lot of effort to improve my game. my next goal is to actually do the combos on the table on difficult spots like the 67 hand
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