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Standard preflop jam? Standard preflop jam?

03-10-2015 , 04:26 PM
Mohegan Sun 1/2 table is playing pretty loose, a few big stacks off 400bb+ and raises of 15 are getting called mulitways with 4-5 going to flops.

Hero (~120) Playing very tight, down from initial buy-in of 200 just from playing a little too nitty. Has not been all in yet and has not done anything crazy.

V1 (~900) playing lots of hands and running well. good thinking player likes to call alot but typically knows when he is beat.

Hand:

Hero UTG picks up AK and limps

V1 opens to 15 from UTG+2

3 players call and action back to hero.

Hero jams for 120 total

I knew with my image that V1 would fold the majority of his hands and I can pick up 60 in the pot without showdown and even if i get a caller I'm most likely flipping or dominating someone.

is this a pretty standard play in our position?
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03-10-2015 , 04:41 PM
Just raise initially. And top off pre.
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03-10-2015 , 05:14 PM
All in for sure. At this table with your stack size I think your limp reraise line is awesome
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03-10-2015 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexOrbs
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is this a pretty standard play in our position?
It is though your hand plays well in a multi-way pot.

It's basically breakeven if Villain's range is QQ+/AK and they always call. But you'll get folds sometimes and they can have hands you dominate like AQ, so you're in good shape.
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03-10-2015 , 05:23 PM
This is probably bad from a theoretical perspective, but works well IRL against the fish... I think I prefer raising to like $70 pre, and shipping the other $50 otf. They'll call pre with like 88, then fold when the flop comes Q92. Or they'll call with AJo pre, and call again when the flop comes 934r.
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03-10-2015 , 05:34 PM
I think this is very well played.

At a 1/2 table where 15 is routinely being opened for and called by multiple opponents, trapping with AK UTG seems great. You are picking up a ton of dead money most of the time, flipping profitably with some dead money from other players when you are actually called, and dominating some donks who might call with AJ or AQ.

If you chose to open AK UTG for 10-15, you are going to be called by multiple opponents and are going to have to shutdown on the majority of flops.

Again, very well played imo.
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03-10-2015 , 05:57 PM
Agree w above. Well played.
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03-10-2015 , 05:58 PM
The thread title should say Standard Preflop Limp?

not really a fan of the limp and playing short. I would like this play better if we had 99 (we dont have a made hand yet so we would need to take it down pf on a loose table or flop some help)
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03-10-2015 , 07:05 PM
I'm fine with this line at an active table. At more passive table I think you're missing lots of value by not opening.
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03-11-2015 , 02:37 AM
thanks for the response everyone.

I thought it was played pretty well also, I don't mean to be results oriented but I got folds in all but one spot so I felt good.

flop comes K66 and i flip my hand up like it's the nuts

the guy turns over 67 suited and he holds.

though the guy made a stupid call I should still be happy to get my money in here nearly everytime.
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03-11-2015 , 03:28 AM
I would limp shove all pairs and ATs+/AQo+ at this kind of table. But you should probably rebuy to the max because the game sounds epic.
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03-11-2015 , 04:13 AM
We'd probably rather be deeper at this table, but given stack size I really like the l/rr shove there.
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03-11-2015 , 07:39 AM
All-in all day and twice on Sunday
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03-11-2015 , 08:14 AM
Grunch.
I love this play. Limp AK UTG feeling confident it will be raised and there will be many callers and then jam. You have a lot of FE and a strong hand should you get called. I think this is +EV all day. This is my bread and butter move when I have a short stack.
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03-11-2015 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by pocketzeroes
This is probably bad from a theoretical perspective, but works well IRL against the fish... I think I prefer raising to like $70 pre, and shipping the other $50 otf. They'll call pre with like 88, then fold when the flop comes Q92. Or they'll call with AJo pre, and call again when the flop comes 934r.
Are you suggesting open raising to 70 or limp raising to 70? I don't like open raising 70 bc might only win the blinds. And while it can be fun to have a second bullet to fire on the flop, I don't see a lot of difference between 70 and jam preflop with this stack. Maybe the auto flop bet of 50 will get someone off a mid pair but since at that point they'll be getting four to one, maybe not? I'd just gii. AKs plays well here and loves to see all five cards, eps against mid pairs.

Re: starting stack: agree with other posters: play a big stack in this game. Seems very juicy and want to be able to play all streets. With a 60bb stack, you're too short for these game conditions to play much post flop poker.
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03-11-2015 , 01:15 PM
You played it very well! Caller had to call 105 to win 180. I would generally call you with his hand if I was closing the action and it was 90 to win 180. If he was closing the action, I would argue that his call was "only" a $15 error roughly.

As others have mentioned, 100bb poker is so much more optimal against standard bad players. If you're feeling too nitty or have a bad image, your results will improve if you take a break, however long you need (5minutes or a month) until you are ready to buyin full and throw your chips in with abandon when the situation calls for it.
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03-11-2015 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexOrbs
though the guy made a stupid call I should still be happy to get my money in here nearly everytime.
Exactly right!

I wish the king would have come on the river. Then you get to hear the Villain tell you how lucky you are.
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03-11-2015 , 03:26 PM
topping off is always the ideal play but the college student bankroll doesn't allow for max ev all the time. sometimes we are forced to play the short stack
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03-11-2015 , 04:49 PM
Games like these makes short stacking extremely profitable. Now include the dead money and the fact that villans will call with 7 high it is omg amazing. I think the limp raise is perfect given the table dynamic, we want to be in all in situations with the best hand and with dead money in the pot. Super dooper standard shove IMO.
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03-11-2015 , 05:36 PM
I gave V1 16.4% range & each of the 3 callers 20.2% -22.5% to include all pocket pairs.
You have 26.5% equity [~3:1] & if the blinds did not call, there is $65 in pot b4 you call the $13.00 minus the rake - $6 with the BB? So $59/13 = 4.53:1. Another option to all-in [I think] is a min-raise & all-in on a good flop or reload. I'm never folding PF.

I have found that a limp in EP followed up by an all-in is AQs+ where I play. If it's late at night, the player has had 7 beers & is tired & itchin' to double up or go home, then it's weaker than that. If I've pegged the player for such, I'm calling with 77+; AQs if in LP & everyone has folded to me.

In your case, V called with 76s. I'll assume it wasn't hearts.
He has 39.6% equity vs. AKh & is getting $179/$118 = 1.52:1 on his money, as a 1.53:1 dog. A virtual coin flip money wise. It's a break even proposition.
39.6% * $179 = $70.88 +EV
60.4% * $118 = $70.88 -EV

I wouldn't have called, but he obviously put you on broadway cards & didn't put you on a pocket pair, making his cards live. He was right & got lucky. He must have been one of the fat stacks who had been runnin' real good.

Of course, with your cards turned over, he has to call to protect his money interest

I would have had to call [last to act] if I was certain you wouldn't play a PP that way & was getting ~2.5:1 to compensate for the times I think I'm "certain" you don't have a PP & do.

Last edited by ZuneIt; 03-11-2015 at 05:59 PM.
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