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Is this a standard call? Is this a standard call?

09-16-2013 , 07:27 PM
Hero (190)has been sitting for about 45 minutes and I have only played a few hands, mainly limped pots in my blinds

Villain (230) tattooey and icey late 20s early 30s Hispanic gentleman. He has been playing loose. Opening close to half the hands played. Shown down some bluffs proudly, as well as some strange two pair hands he scooped some pots with. He has about 240 because he doubled up when he shoved over a straddle raise of 35 with A6o and won.

Villain Opens to 12, caller, caller

Hero OTB AhQh raises to 55

Villain tanks a little and shoves

Both callers fold

Thoughts?
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09-16-2013 , 07:51 PM
if your asking if the 3bet is standard, absolutely.

So it folded to you after he 4bet you? Has he been 3bet any other times besides the straddler? has he ever folded to a 3bet? that would usually be a standard fold, however, since he has been known to shove with trash before, you have too much in the pot already to fold vs your stack size here and his range.

reload and hope he stays at the table.
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09-16-2013 , 07:56 PM
How had villain responded to aggression? If he has folded when played back at or only reraised with big hands, I could fold this some of the time. If you pin his range at something like AK/JJ+ then folding would be right. Mostly though I'm getting it in, because most villains like this will have a middle pair here a lot. Your slightly behind the coin flip, but once you raise to $55 pot odds force you to call against middle pairs. If you think he has some bluffs/garbage hands and worse AX along with small pairs then calling is obvious. In any case, variance will be high and this is exactly the sort of situation that makes serious players bring multiple buyins.

Against a maniac, I would usually flat preflop here with position. Not always, but most of the time exactly because I want to avoid these near coin flip shoves preflop that gambling maniacs like.
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09-16-2013 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerbrah
Hero (190)has been sitting for about 45 minutes and I have only played a few hands, mainly limped pots in my blinds

Villain (230) tattooey and icey late 20s early 30s Hispanic gentleman. He has been playing loose. Opening close to half the hands played. Shown down some bluffs proudly, as well as some strange two pair hands he scooped some pots with. He has about 240 because he doubled up when he shoved over a straddle raise of 35 with A6o and won.

Villain Opens to 12, caller, caller

Hero OTB AhQh raises to 55

Villain tanks a little and shoves

Both callers fold

Thoughts?
Wow that sucks... probably has a low pair so if you want to gamble it's up to you. Also seems like he'd shove AK. I'd get away from this hand.
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09-16-2013 , 08:02 PM
Given his history I'm probably calling here and feel ok about it.
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09-16-2013 , 08:04 PM
So anytime he was 3bet he would generally call but I can't really recall a 3bet that wasn't either a min or close to it
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09-16-2013 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerbrah
So anytime he was 3bet he would generally call but I can't really recall a 3bet that wasn't either a min or close to it
Yep, get out!
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09-16-2013 , 08:09 PM
You're playing 1/2 I'm assuming? I wouldn't say your pot forced to call but against a loose player that you haven't seen much with, I would call. He's either got a small pair or Arag. Especially since your image is tight I think he thinks he can force you off the hand. To a loose player, I feel like your tight image says two things;

1. You can get pushed off the hand. Or,
2. You have a premium hand.

He's either got a decent hand or a premium hand. Against a player like this, I'm rolling the dice and assuming he has 77 or 99 and overplaying it greatly. Trying to keep his LAG image can be greatly beneficial to you, especially if he's bluffing a lot of the time. You have AQ suited. Splash the pot

How old are you/what image do you put out besides your playing style? (Fat, skinny, white, AzN, Mexican)?
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09-16-2013 , 08:26 PM
24 Caucasian

No beats no hoodie

Against 90% of villains I'm folding this, I snap called because my image was so tight and I thought he might think he could push me out along with seeing what he came over the top with before+how much he loved showing bluffs, I felt pretty good about it
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09-16-2013 , 08:39 PM
Anyone think the 3bet is a little large? I mean, we're dumping over 1/4 of our stack PF and if any one player calls we are essentially playing fit or fold on the flop.. No? just curious.

BTW I think I call here seeing as how splashy he is. I would fold this quite often against a lot of players but if this guy is capable of shoving A6os..
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09-16-2013 , 08:40 PM
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09-16-2013 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dark_hatchling
Anyone think the 3bet is a little large? I mean, we're dumping over 1/4 of our stack PF and if any one player calls we are essentially playing fit or fold on the flop.. No? just curious.

BTW I think I call here seeing as how splashy he is. I would fold this quite often against a lot of players but if this guy is capable of shoving A6os..
I think the sizing was fine, maybe 50 would be optimal, but there was a raiser and 2 callers.

and you are correct we're not dumping over 1/4 of our stack to fold to a 4bet from this villian.
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09-16-2013 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dark_hatchling
Anyone think the 3bet is a little large? I mean, we're dumping over 1/4 of our stack PF and if any one player calls we are essentially playing fit or fold on the flop.. No? just curious.

BTW I think I call here seeing as how splashy he is. I would fold this quite often against a lot of players but if this guy is capable of shoving A6os..
the 3bet sizing is good because there were 2 other callers after the original raiser so it needs to be a bit bigger
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09-16-2013 , 08:46 PM
It's like your villain knows you have a good hand and was waiting to shove with the nuts on you and have you call him lighter after seeing all the bluffs he made you see.
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09-16-2013 , 08:55 PM
What's our plan if we get called and miss the flop? We can't expect to Cbet here, can we? Obviously we are going with it if we hit.
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09-16-2013 , 09:00 PM
I think hero's plan all along was to call a shove so let's see what happened!
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09-16-2013 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dark_hatchling
What's our plan if we get called and miss the flop? We can't expect to Cbet here, can we? Obviously we are going with it if we hit.
I was not expecting to get called, but if so I'd fire away if I hit, check if I don't, cbetting into this guy would be bad I think
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09-16-2013 , 11:30 PM
I call, and find out what the guy is capable of. If he shows the nuts you may have just ran into a cooler, but at least he'll know in the future you will call his big raises, maybe won't be so pushy after that.

Or he's a really good player and made the A6o play because he's aggressive and establishing an image.
I guess you can fold and find out, or call because you put so much of your stack in already.
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09-17-2013 , 12:00 AM
Is this at the THR and was V loudly proclaiming he don't care because he's got more money than the rest of the table combined? If so, you should call so fast you break your arm.
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09-17-2013 , 01:10 AM
What happened?

Last edited by RyanAA44; 09-17-2013 at 01:16 AM. Reason: I know it doesn't matter but I want to know cause I've had a v like him
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09-17-2013 , 05:25 AM
I turned an ace and beat KK

V goes on half hour tirade


"thats some tourney sht, how do you snap that, **** donkey"

Repeated in different ways for a half hour

"stick around, I'm gunna win all that back from you with a hand like 6 3"

Starts making laps around room telling every table about the hand lol


I said nice hand when he flipped his KK before the flop, and did not show an ounce of emotion when I took the pot
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09-17-2013 , 10:10 AM
I almost forgot one pretty major part of the hand because of all that took place afterward, wow

This guy apparently fake mucked pre, dealer grabs his cards, this triggers both callers to insta fold, I'm getting ready to scoop, he pleads with dealer, "hold on, I did not fold"
Dealer says "I saw you push them forward" and then she allows him to get them back(villain is a somewhat reg here apparently because dealer had said something about not seeing him in a while a few minutes before)

I did not see his pump fake, but it did trigger the folds



Anyways he gets his cards back and tanks 10 seconds and then shoves all in
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09-17-2013 , 10:25 AM
Pretty major part.. But honestly, it's do hard to give credit to a maniac, their range is absurdly wide, especially considering you've witnessed an A6o scoop it with his all in.
Note that 85-90% of the time this is a muck situation... Either way, lucky hit and in the end you get the chips. . Guys acted like he's never played poker or has had a bad beat before... Seems fishy
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09-17-2013 , 10:27 AM
Where was this pokerbrah?
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09-17-2013 , 10:34 AM
If you're going to 3bet/fold AQ vs a maniac, then you can't make the 3bet 29% of your stack. As played you have to call, but you should have planned for this and went a little smaller.
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