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Old 06-25-2018, 11:01 PM   #26
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Re: Stack off with jacks here mandatory?

Thatís what I meant the only full house that makes sense is 99 and if Iím deciding whether or not to call an all in and thereís only 1 hand that sticks in my head that he has to have in order for the play to make sense, Iím usually calling, and the way Iíve been running lately I would probably see a boat in this case 😃
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Old 06-26-2018, 10:34 AM   #27
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220 out of your 325 dollars are already in. Even though you are behind most of the time, you have to call.
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Old 06-26-2018, 12:29 PM   #28
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Re: Stack off with jacks here mandatory?

If you are 99% sure his range is qq plus then dont bet the turn
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Old 06-26-2018, 01:29 PM   #29
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Bet smaller on the turn or check if you think his range is mostly whiffed overs and occasionally better pairs. Jam if you think he has some worse hands that can call, like TT.

This kind of spot is good to bet very small like 1/5 pot.
+1. Small bet puts his AK in a tough spot.
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:30 PM   #30
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Re: Stack off with jacks here mandatory?

I'm sorry but many of you guys are way to wrapped up in your thinking of "lol live poker they always have it". I don't care who you're playing aginst, the amount of hands you've seen these guys play is MINUSCULE for the purpose of ranging. Yes, there are a FEW guys at the table who will just "always" have it, but I'm telling you even some of these guys have spazz buttons and will do things that may surprise you.

It's a tough spot here with JJ either way, but if we're betting the turn it cant be to fold given the SPR. If you're going to fold to a jam after better turn just check.
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Old 06-26-2018, 06:24 PM   #31
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Re: Stack off with jacks here mandatory?

I don't mean to repeat myself, but I think people are overlooking the strong possibility that we're pot committed the moment we flat pre. We started the hand with $300, we put $60 in the pot pre, there's a good chance the loose CO is going to come along for the ride, so as soon as the flop is dealt we're looking at a pot of over $180 and we have $240 behind.

The fact that the SB bet 25% of the pot on the flop just adds insult to injury. Again, usually the CO comes along for the ride if we just call (he didn't in this particular hand, but he usually does). It's really hard to fold an overpair getting what's usually 6 to 1 on your money, now you're usually seeing the turn with a $360 pot and we have $120 behind.

IMHO in this spot you're either shoving pre if you think he's capable of making this raise with TT, 99, KQ, AQ or AK as often as JJ+, or folding pre if you don't.
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:20 PM   #32
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If you are 99% sure his range is qq plus then dont bet the turn
When I bet the turn I put him on an ace king type of hand. When he shoved I thought it was queens plus. But now that I think about it some of the people in this thread are right. He would bet bigger and continue betting because of the flush draw
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Old 06-27-2018, 02:30 AM   #33
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Re: Stack off with jacks here mandatory?

Iíd let the JJ go pre. 3-bettor is limping JJ in previousl hands so QQ+ is extremely likely with a 3-bet. Pot odds and implied odds donít seem good enough to set mine. Direct odds are just under 3 to 1 and implied odds assuming we double up are around 8 to 1 I believe. Need to be deeper to set-mine.

As played, I like the last $105 call. The turn check-raise from him makes no sense unless itís 99 which seems unlikely to 3-bet and only 3 combos. QQ+ is pretty much never checking this turn. He should never be check-raising flush draws here with such little fold equity given you only have $105 behind. He can just call $95 to win $440 (implied odds) when he rivers the flush/overs and fold when he bricks. His turn check range is heavily weighted to AK and check-raise just looks like a frustration blowup.
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Old 06-27-2018, 04:00 AM   #34
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Re: Stack off with jacks here mandatory?

Turn is a pretty quick call as played, villains sizing on the flop is sketchy at best.



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