$1/2 game. I had only been at the table for about 1/2 an orbit. Not much for reads.

V1 - SB - $68 - 50's white guy with long hair and flannel shirt. Hippie/grunge look that says "yeah, I'm too old to smoke weed, but I do it anyway"

Hero - UTG - Covers both - 30's, white guy, glasses, hoodie, really friggen good looking.

V2 - UTG+1 - $180 - 50's, white guy, hat and tshirt with some logos that suggest he's a trucker or construction worker. Doesn't seem to be talking to anyone.

Here opens to $10 from UTG with JhJd
V2 Raises to $30
V1 looks like he has a good hand, but expects to be beat. Has turned to sitting sideways at the table like he's going to leave soon. Then says "ok, I call, I'm all in"

The dealer informs him of the string bet, and the bet stands at $30. There is roughly $70 in the pot, and it's $20 for hero to call.

Hero?

(Edit: this is probably a pretty easy call, but I'm more interested in what our post flop plan is. Are we committing on safe boards?)

What's his range? Usually for old uncreative men playing 1-2 its like qq(maybe) kk and aa. With no other reads to go on, I'd fold this and be pretty happy about it.

Its either ship or fold.
We will have an effective stack of $150 left on the flop, pot being $90 so there really isn't any post flop play. And on Q high boards we may make a mistake and fold the best hand.

So if we ship its $170 to win $220 (and possibly a bit more if V1 comes along. So $170 to win $275. We need 43% equity in the first case, and 38% equity in the second case.

If we give V2 a range of QQ+ and AK, we have 35% equity. If his range is wider, or if he folds any of his AK then we make money by shipping.

I'd default to folding against a non spewy older guy who hasn't shown the propensity to 3bet light.

I don't see why it's ship or fold pre-flop. we can close the action for $20. This was my thinking at the time, and I'm wondering if this line is ok......

I'm putting AK in V2's range. That decision was already made when he made the first raise. I'm also putting TT in his range. He was in early position, and I had already made it $10. If he calls, he gets the domino effect and has to play a huge pot with Tens OOP. I would expect alot of 1/2 players of this type to raise TT there. My plan was to flat the $20, knowing that V1 in the SB was shipping his last $38 ALL THE TIME.

Then I could decide to shove, or fold. I made the decision pre-flop that AQ wasn't in V2's range, and V1's range was wide enough that a single Q wouldn't be enough to scare me off his last $38. So I was only scared of an A or K on the flop. one of those cards most likely connected with one villain so I could fold my underpair easily if one appears. And on low flops, i could shove over V1's all-in, knowing I'm crushing his range, and I could get value from v2's TT, or if AK flops some kind of draw.

Playing around with equilib....the actual flop was 662 with two hearts (we hold the J hearts) we give V1 a range of 77+ and AQ+, we give V1 a range of TT+ and AK, and then we're about 35%. If we flat V1's $38 shove, and V2 shoves over....we still have odds to call. Not recommending this line, but it shows that going all in on the flop with some fold equity shoudl be a money maker.

Meh, I call here, knowing V1 is always shoving the flop, and that I'm shoving over to iso on basically all non-ace boards (maybe also folding on K-high boards if the we get a livetellament)

Very high variance, as there's almost as many overpairs as big aces in V2's range, and I would never expect a trucker/construction worker unknown to fold TPTK+, but there's enough in the pot to make it +EV, imo.

What actually happened....

Very high variance, especially sixth street.

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OMC's are just not 3 betting enough pre to even consider TT,JJ, or AK in their 3 bet range.

V2 was half my size and twice my age. And check my read on V1, don't think he plays 6th street that aggro.

never described him as OMC. Maybe I wasn't descriptive enough, but I feel like he had alot more "have a few beers and gamble" in him than the typical OMC.

This was about 9pm on a saturday night at a pretty busy casino. The OMC crowd punched out hours ago.

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Oic

Without reads, no matter how good looking you think yourself to be, you are at BEST racing against AK. You will almost never see TT in V's range here. The only option is to call and set-mine or fold. Given the dynamics, you can't even play poker post-flop on a "safe" flop b/c short stack is going to shove no matter what. I'd probably call pre because our implied odds are probably a lot higher for set mining than normal if we do hit our set on the flop. As played, you got lucky, but you should have folded the flop.

I would fold to the 3b especially without better reads, an average 3b range is QQ+, AK.

nh

theres no such thing as being too old to smoke weed

if you call pre flop, then you are certainly not folding the flop after no high cards come out. if theres an A K or Q there and he wants to fold, sure, but if he calls pre flop with JJ then why would he fold when the board isnt scary at all

Fold. High five v1 and ask him if he wants to go halves on a bleezy