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Originally Posted by Kler
Well, you're right, it's not necessarily bad, except that it doesn't leave me any room to get out of the hand, so, it is kind of bad. MAYBE it's actually illogical of me, but when I'm thinking of a situation where I'm floating a flop c-bet because I think villain is weak, I am not thinking that my bet on the turn should have to be a shove.
Or, I'm wrong, V doesn't check turn, he shoves turn, I have AQ on a board like K683, getting about 2:1 to call, still can't call, and just decimated myself. Or I 3-bet my AQ pre and end up shoving pretty much any flop.
Basically, it just feels like a lot variance is being brought into my game when I'm calling a raise for 10% of my stack pre flop, or decide I'm better off 3-betting a wideish range.
Maybe it's actually completely irrelevant and I really am not thinking about it logically. But on the other hand when I'm playing relatively deep stacked, I don't have these issues, or at least I only have them when I happen to be in a hand with someone who's playing around 100bb, which is actually pretty rare. More often there are some people with between 25-60bb, some others with 180+, one or two with ~100.
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Originally Posted by Kler
When it's not ME who's playing 100 or less bb it's no problem. I can play with the deeper stacks, and most of the shorter stacks play bad, they're not waiting around for premium hands, and if they are I can just fold. If a pot goes multiway and someone with a shorter stack gets himself committed, that doesn't necessarily mean I am also committed when there are other deeper stacks in play. And the guy probably doesn't even know what pot commitment is in the first place. So if I raise or call a raise with some high cards that whiff it's usually no problem, I can get away from the hand.
I don't understand this.
scenario 1: Assume you have $600 in front of you.
V1 [$180] opens for $20. V2 [$200] & V3 [$190] call. You call with A
Q
.
Flop comes K
9
7
Flop betting requires you to fold, as you stated above.
How is that scenario any different than if you had started with $200? If you had, all you would need to do is top off $20 to your stack to restore yourself.
The only difference would be, that having started with $600, you'd probably still have the winner of the hand covered.
scenario 2: Now say you started with $600, caught something on the flop that allowed you to continue. Now on the turn, a continuation in the hand would require you to basically put your V all-in. This is the exact same situation as you stated in your 1st para., except you'll still have ~$400 in front of you.
If the next largest stack at the table is $300, all $300 of your $600 stack is doing is looking pretty.
It doesn't matter how much
you have in front of you if you have your opponents covered.
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Originally Posted by Kler
If I'm playing between 80-100bb then I can only call so many (like, 2 or 3) of these raises before I'm down to 50bb and either have to reload or play really short.
Stop waiting so long to reload. I buy-in for $300 in my 1/2 game [when the avg stack at the table is $300] and re-load every time I can add on 1/2 $25 chip[s] if the stacks at the table warrant it.
I buy-in for $200, or whatever is appropriate for the table, but I've got $200 in green chips in my pocket. I usually re-load when I'm on the Button.
Every serious grinder that I know [except those NITS on SSI looking to make $100 & go home] are constantly topping off when they're down $50 or more from their buy-in.
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Originally Posted by Kler
Again, maybe I'm wrong and it makes no actual difference. Basically, what it comes down to, is that facing 8+bb raises with a 100bb stack makes me feel relatively powerless and unable to do much but hope I hit my hand, or that V misses his.
Or maybe I should just not be worrying about it, have no problem calling several raises, giving up if the flop isn't favorable and I don't know villain well enough to know whether a bluff will be +EV (which is often the case early on), and just reload after losing no more than 30bb.
When buying in for $200, I'd re-load 1/2 $25 chip[s] on the Button. Then, if you win, what you are going to have to deal with is: You and only 1, maybe 2, other players deep-stacked & you having to manage your way around those two players, as they are the only 2 that can really hurt you.
This, however, is easily solvable if they are quality players that you don't want to have to deal with [or you don't want to find yourself in a position where you're putting all your winnings at risk in one hand]:
Find a table that isn't deep-stacked. You have to sit down at the new table with your $600, but only $200 is in play if that's the next biggest stack. But then you're back to your original problem.