+1

suited connectors (especially low ones) are so over rated (especially out of position).

Are we gonna be happy with flopping an 8 high flush draw? because it might take a million hands to flop the nut straight (with a rainbow flop, hopefully).

If there are a lot of limpers, it may be worth it, but I don't automatically complete every possible hand just to complete.

You flop 2 pair or better about 5% of the time with 78s. If you c/f everything else, and extract no more money with your flopped monsters, you still almost come out ahead. Obv if you suck at poker you'll lose money postflop, but that's true in any situation, and would suggest much bigger problems than sb completing range.

Is spikeraw serious still? You have to be incredibly undisiplined to force urself to fold the SB here because you don't trust yourself to play well postflop, that is the only explanation. God I hate posting but this thread is tilting.

I limp along pre, but if I do raise, I definitely make it much bigger. As played I think jamming pre is clearly the correct play. Jamming flop as played is good.

Yeah never fold pre vs limps, that's dumb.

you must run worse than anyone i've ever seen if you only flop the nut straight once in a million hands.

I understand to an extent that your argument revolves around not wanting to be OOP with a hand that, if anything, you will most likely be drawing to and its a non-nut hand as well (eg higher flushes).

However, you should definitely still be completing if you are not absolutely horrible at post flop play.

What limits do you play? Because if your range is really that tight, good players will be able to read you like a book and you will not make any money against decent players.

If i was playing you, i can automatically rule out any sc or ax suited hands from your range if you raise in early or mid position, or even call a raise from the blinds, and basically put you on AJ and 1010+ immediately and play you perfectly

And seriously though, this is llsnl 1/2. How many times are you going to see a -40% bet otf from someone and get odds to call when you flop oe? Most of the time, it's a weak bet, call, and then you're getting odds to call for oe. Hell, sometimes even two-pair/trips for implied odds if we're 150+bbs deep!

On this issue of limping pre. We have two blinds that we must learn to play reasonably if we expect to do very well at all overall.

Thus, if we cannot throw 1 buck in the pot getting upwards of 7 or 9 to 1 and higher, then we must review how well we play in the first place. As always, a player has to evaluate his postflop play. 87suited and the like, play fairly poorly postflop OOP, yes. But can it be played profitably? Absolutely yes. Can the hero play it profitably? Nobody but maybe hero would know (if that).

So to me the real answer is maybe -- hero should limp it in. Other limpers are super fish and hero is cautious postflop with the hand, then yes limp on in. Other limpers are tricky and hero finds himself going too far post with many marginal hands, then no.

I don't think 78s plays poorly OOP, there's got to be a lot more hands that play way worse that I'd still complete in that situation.