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05-16-2014 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox
Betting all three streets for value if board texture doesnt change much
If you get called 3 times, are you rebuying or calling it a night?

Because you might get 2 calls from draws, but anything that calls you 3 times beats you 99% of the time IMO.
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05-16-2014 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Carnivore
If you get called 3 times, are you rebuying or calling it a night?

Because you might get 2 calls from draws, but anything that calls you 3 times beats you 99% of the time IMO.
The 1/2 you are playing isnt good. Change table. If after an hour you dont know who slowplay ak set etc... focus more.
People will never fold KJ or KT. Some will at the third barrel but if the flush draw missed, at least half will call you down with theses.

If a scared card falls OTT you can either bet/fold check fold or check call check fold. They are never bluffing you two street... or at least you should know whos able to do it at some point in time...

Persoannly I will bet OTT.

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05-16-2014 , 10:57 PM
Bet-fold 2/3 pot OTF. Fire most turns. Eval river, likely more value to be had. No other strategy required.
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05-17-2014 , 04:14 AM
Lots of conflicting advice about post flop, but we can all agree to bet more preflop. I started betting $20 tonight at the same 1/2 room and was still getting 2-3 callers, uncommonly 4, and almost never 5

So I still think I should bet a hell of a lot on the flop. I'm mostly scared of flush draws and someone having K/J or Q/10. I believe TPTK is usually good right here and I would want to bet a lot to get them off the damn flop. I would have to eval turn if people come along with me. Any spade will make check, and 9 and A are also scary as heck.
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05-17-2014 , 01:09 PM
personally i don't like the preflop raise.

i hate b/f on this flop. even bad 1/2 players are capable of clicking back some draws and combo hands here.

i bet 75 and if i get raised i ask hero to make a read and get back to me.

if just called i am either b/f or checking brick and scary turns, again, depends on who calls and how many.
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05-17-2014 , 06:49 PM
As played I'd B/F about 70% of the pot, reeval OTT. Since I'm probably only firing once at this board a larger sized Cbet is in order. Personally I hate your PF raise and sizing since it usually folds out so many of the hands you dominate (Kx and Qx). And even if you are getting called by those types of hands, which we can only assume you are since you got 5 callers here, I still don't like it because now you're playing a bloated multiway pot out of position without premium holdings. This is the opposite of what I'm looking to accomplish when I play bad players. Instead, I prefer completing from the blinds with those types of hands and then going for 3 streets with TP in a smaller pot that I can get away from.
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05-17-2014 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by oldschool_vegas
Lots of conflicting advice about post flop, but we can all agree to bet more preflop. I started betting $20 tonight at the same 1/2 room and was still getting 2-3 callers, uncommonly 4, and almost never 5

So I still think I should bet a hell of a lot on the flop. I'm mostly scared of flush draws and someone having K/J or Q/10. I believe TPTK is usually good right here and I would want to bet a lot to get them off the damn flop. I would have to eval turn if people come along with me. Any spade will make check, and 9 and A are also scary as heck.
I think betting for protection is the worst decision. Bet for value or as a bluff; not praying everyone whiffed and will fold if you bet large.

I think a case can be made value-betting but a six-way flop doesn't look good.

Assuming you give 5 villains a best-case weak pre-flop range; nobody limp-calls any respectable hands:
99-55,33-22,AJs-A2s,KJs-K2s,Q2s+,J3s+,T3s+,93s+,84s+,75s+,65s,AJo-A2o,KJo-K2o,Q2o+,J3o+,T4o+,95o+,85o+,75o+,65o

According to PokerStove you're going to win this pot 44.85% of the time; most of the time you'll lose. Head's up with J2o you'd have 66.58% equity; with A8o you'd have 62.67% equity; with AQo you'd have 57.4% equity.
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05-17-2014 , 10:41 PM
As played I bet nearly the pot, 90. 3 people folded, a short stack called for 50, and sb called. The turn came 4s. SB went all in for 210.

Spoiler:
I fold. Short stack shows K/10o for one pair, but sb shows 6s/2s for a flush.
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05-17-2014 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by au4all
I think betting for protection is the worst decision. Bet for value or as a bluff; not praying everyone whiffed and will fold if you bet large.
There's people at this game who will call large bets chasing their draws, so so by betting for protection, I'm simultaneously betting for value; and I want them to pay me off if they are chasing.
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05-18-2014 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by oldschool_vegas
There's people at this game who will call large bets chasing their draws, so so by betting for protection, I'm simultaneously betting for value; and I want them to pay me off if they are chasing.
You are always betting for value when worse hands call. I hate this whole "bet for protection" nonsense. Protection implies you dont want anyone to call. If you dont want them to call then that means you are bluffing.
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05-18-2014 , 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
You are always betting for value when worse hands call.
Well, not entirely. If you bet $25 into a $80 pot and a guy with a naked flush draw calls OTT, you haven't actually gotten any value from him, he is just putting his share of the equity in.

I agree with the part about calling it a "protection bet", however. We DON"T want him to fold, we DO want to make sure we get value from him.
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05-18-2014 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
Well, not entirely. If you bet $25 into a $80 pot and a guy with a naked flush draw calls OTT, you haven't actually gotten any value from him, he is just putting his share of the equity in.

I agree with the part about calling it a "protection bet", however. We DON"T want him to fold, we DO want to make sure we get value from him.
What if that opponent said he'd only call $1 otherwise he folds. Do you bet the $1 for value or do you go ahead and bet $25 and make him fold?
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05-19-2014 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
What if that opponent said he'd only call $1 otherwise he folds. Do you bet the $1 for value or do you go ahead and bet $25 and make him fold?
I'm indifferent to getting less than his equity share into the pot, so I bet the amount over his equity share, even if it makes him fold, ldo.

Why on earth would you ever let an opponent freeroll you for his card? He is never putting any more in the pot unless he hits his draw, so unless you can beat his draw, you make no more money either way, so I would rather he folds, if he will honestly not pay more than his draw is worth.
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