Late at night at the Tampa hard rock. Villain is a drunk middle aged white guy who has been over bet bluffing frequently, plays just about every hand. I also doubled him up his first hand AA vs KK. He has dumped most of that back though. He is sitting on about 150. I cover.

We're in the big blind with 68o. Villain limps utg, three others limp as well. Hero checks.

Pot - 10$
Flop is 6c 8c 6x.

I lead for 5 to start building a pot and to charge any flush or straight draws. Villain is the only caller. I give him a range of 6x, 8x, XcXc, or possible straight draws, 57, 79, possible pairs and some ace high type hands. This bet might be a little small but I was hoping to get multiple callers.

Pot - 20$
Turn is the 2c.

I could bet here but if he doesn't have a flush he's probably going to fold, but he may opt to bluff if I check to him. And I figure clubs make up a decent portion of his range. So I check, hoping villain will take a stab at the pot. Villain checks behind.

Pot - $20
River is the 10h

The clubs came in and 79 just came in as well. Our hand is way under repped, so I'm not sure what line I like. Hero acts first... Thoughts?

I bet over the pot in these spots. Maybe like $25 or $30. He's probably not calling you either way, and if he actually hit something, he's going to call an overbet. You can't take the chance of checking or hoping to induce a raise here. If you bet $25, and he only calls half the amount of times that he would call $10 then it's a profitable bet size.

I would have bet small OTT, like I had trips and felt a need to bet but was afraid of the flush. A guy like this will often make a huge raise if he senses weakness. Works better OTT than OTR, but I'd still give it a try here. I go $10. even if he doesn't raise, I doubt he can ever fold any pair for that, and it gets us some value from hands that could otherwise go c/c.

I usually bet pot or close too it in these limped pot situation on flop. Pot is still small and most villains have no difference in their $5 and $10 calling range. Usually bet the turn in these situation. If villain only has an eight your not getting much more no matter what you do and everything else is calling something.

As played generally bet pot or slightly more on river. It's very unlikely you get raised but villain with a straight/flush/good 6X will have trouble folding. Against this specific villain a small bet to try and induce a raise is also good, there is enough chance he will bluff raise to balance the spots where he calls with hands you crush.

Lead 10 on the flop. Since the pot grows geometrically, doubling the size of the first bet will nearly double the size of the final pot. (In this hand note that pot would be 50% larger OTT for a 5 difference in flop bet size.)

Turn:
Don't hope V's will bet for you in LLSNL games unless you have a clear read they bet too much. The vast majority of LLSNL V's aren't aggressive enough and don't bet big enough when they do bet. They make calling errors; don't hope they're having a TIA and are about to do your work for you.

In any case, if they'll lead the flush, they might raise it.

Lead turn 20.

River
AP, lead river 20, hope to get to 3b.

I think above arguments for less and more have merit (though I'm dubious of betting smaller to induce). Just don't check again.

I might just check the flop. You have several players to act behind you that might value bet or stab a whole bunch of hands. If it checks through you prob weren't going to make much anyway.

Check-raise is pretty strong on a paired board so probably just check-call and let some V's dig in.

What were stack sizes of the other players?

You could probably check-raise most turns if the flop gets bet, and I guess lead for the pot on the turn if the flop checks thru.

As played, with the pot so small anyway , I might like a check-raise on the river. For V to bluff-raise such a wet board if you lead is pretty ambitious, but if you check and let him bluff or value bet it sounds like he could be sticky enough to fall a x/r fairly wide.

I'm probably b/b/b this whole hand.

The hands I try to trap with OOP get checked behind way too often to make me even think about it, unless there is a super aggro who will bet nearly every time. Also, c/r OTT is so strong that even a bad player will be able to lay down most hands that would have called OTT and OTR to standard bets.

Checking this turn is a disaster, let's get three streets of value when we can vs. trying to squeeze a small bet OTR

Also, bet a little more on the flop, their calling range for 7-10 probably isn't really different than their range for calling 5

I'm taking the bet/bet/bet line in this spot. You're not usally going to lose value by betting the turn. If he can't call a bet on the turn, he probably can't call another bet anyway.

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Checking turn is horrible. We don't get free monsters often enough to voluntarily cap our betting at 2.5bb by the river. I'd make it $15 OTT and then $40 OTR.

AP I'd go $20 OTR because some people think big river bets are bluffy and will call light + our line looks weak.

As Harrington wrote years ago, "The good news is you flopped a full house. The bad news is you flopped a full house." It is a great hand, but it is hard for someone else to have much of a hand to put money in the pot. Given this is a limped pot, I'd probably look for just 2 streets of value. Bet the flop and river as played. If someone had a hand that can call a turn and river bet, they'll bet the turn for you.

b/b/b

I'm surprised at how many b/b/b people are posting here. It's a limped pot, heads up, and you're literally begging for V to have 1 or 2 clubs to even get 2 streets of value here, much less three.

If V is drunk and wild he's going to bet any decent hands he has on the turn and probably bets any big club, too. Why would you not give him a bit of rope when he's so unlikely to have anything even remotely decent here if he won't bet it himself? If he's not betting that turn after Hero checks, he probably has straight up garbage anyway.

Because it’s a limped pot with wide ranges, a myriad of draws, and a drunk villain. This isn’t rocket science.

And with all those things you just stated, why would he not bet the turn after you check to him if he has something? (and he might even bet in that case if he doesn't)

Our goal is to extract value. The answer to extracting value isn't always b/b/b.

You have a situation in which, A) V is likely to be very weak on the turn or B) V is likely to have anything whatsoever and is drunk and bad and fishy and overbetting and will probably do something stupid if you check to him

Doesn't seem like betting into him again after he flatted the flop is optimal here in either of those scenarios.

yeah, this is a 19 way flop on a drawing board, we can be more aggressive than if we're heads up after raising pre. Plus we're going to be pissed if someone has the case 6 and we don't get three streets out of them.

this is a bad place to apply the Harrington quote