Hero - $1000+ - Playing pretty good - bluffed once and got looked up - but pretty much most of my hands are holding up

Fish - $500 - who knows how much he is in for - but plays pretty much any 2 and likes to play. This guy has bluffed in the past but pretty much is a station.

other guy $700 - he calls pre but folds on flop so no point in talking about him

On to the action

Hero is dealt JJon the BTN. 6 handed

BB straddles to $6
Fish calls
other guy calls

I make it $25 - not a huge raise but something that might get called
Fish calls
Other guy calls


Flop is Jk3 $81

checks to me
I bet $30 - something small but I defiantly want someone to raise or at least call

I could of bet bigger - but not sure if i would get called - and I can defiantly get stacks in by the river if fish has a hand - I also this is a pretty standard c-bet for the table

Fish calls
other guy folds

Turn is 7 $141

Checks to me

I bet $120

- thoughts???

Flop need to be bigger 6 ways for sure, especially on a flop like this where you can get called with a wide range of hands.


Like if you bet 60$ instead of 30$ nobody are folding a flushdraw for example or an open ender, let alone top pair.

Turn is good as played, you seem to bet alot bigger and more close to potsize here than on the flop- realizing that you need to build this pot and try to get as much money in as possible.

Never stop firing good sizing OTT just less then a PSB left to jam it vs. this villain. 3-barrel him with big sizing.

Juicy spot.

I'd bet more OTF...

-Unless this guy is a maniac u aren't inducing any aggression/over-bluffs with his bluff range here esp MW with another guy in the pot.
-Or if you know he would spazz out with Kx here and make it like 60 or 75 bucks because he thinks ur weak then it would be a good spot to 3-bet repop him and get it in. Ik some people who will interpret a quarter bet sizing as a x/weakness and end up x-raising OOP with TPTK or something. IP as well.

I think going from 30->120 is going to get folds a lot from hands that should call.

Bet like 45-60 on the flop and then bet 100-125 on the turn.

I'm betting 55/60 on the flop- we don't block any Kx, diamond draws, or straight draws. I want to pile money into this pot and make sure I can get stacks in. Plenty of hands will give us action. Turn sizing is better but I agree it's more likely to get a fold after betting so little on the flop - you want to get them emotionally committed to the pot as early as possible so they can't fold their Kx when the pot gets huge.

Note: I assume you mean UTG straddles to $6.

PF: I think $25 is way too low, even for a six handed game. We have the a straddler plus two callers. I'd love to thin the field. I'd make it $35, but at least $30.

F(85): SPR is ~5.5 and ~8. BOMBS AWAY! BUT...we bet $30! [insert sad face here] We've got a flop that likely hits our opponents, and there are straights draws and flush draws out there, and we only bet $30 [insert an even sadder face here]. I'm betting $80 here. Against fish, $80 will be called by flush draws, straight draws, any K. And why would anyone raise if your opponents (at least one of them) are passive?

T(145): The effective stack has $445 left. Now we need to set this up to get stacks in. 7h doesn't change much. I'd bet pot here. If they are going to call $120, they will call $145. If he's on a draw, then I want to charge the maximum. Plus you said he's a station fish, so get the monies in the middle.

As stated, more on flop (~$60). True fish is not folding a flush draw or K, and probably not a pair or straight draw.

As played, turn is a little high. Now I definitely want him to call. With $141 in pot, I probably make it $100 -- juicy sounding bet for a fish and easy to call.

+1, good poast, especially the part about getting villain to be emotionally attached to the pot as quickly as possible by betting more on the flop.


Also want to clarify that i misread the OP in my first post where i thought we went 6 ways to the flop,was doing something else while i tried to reply to this thread- multitasking is clearly not for me

Go a bit bigger pre with a straddle and 2 callers, but not a huge consideration.

WTF flop sizing. We are deep against two villans on an extremely drawy board. I’m making it big here to get full value from top pair, flush draws, straight draws. I might overbet here depending on the specific fish, but as a standard I’m betting close to pot.
I am a big fan of your turn sizing as played, but do you see why betting bigger OTF would be better now? Your betting line is saying “I had a tiny hand on the flop but now I have a monster”, doesn’t make any sense.

Let’s say you bet 75 OTF and get called. Pot is now 230 on the turn and you can bet 175 to set up a river shove of 225. As played you are looking at a river pot size of 380 with 350 behind which is not great for you.

I'm cool with the preflop raise size. I just want to build a pot in position against fish with a decent hand and it looks like this raise will probably manage to thin the field as well. Stacks are deep so we'll have plenty of wiggle room postflop.

SPR is in 6-8 range, which means that we're going to need about 3 streets of 3/4 PSBs in order to play for stacks in the bigger case, especially since it seems unlikely that these calling stations are going to raise. Flop is drawy, and no fish folds a draw on the flop to a single bet. I'd probably PSB the flop.

I really dislike our flop bet sizing. With it being << 1/2 PSB, it will make it difficult to play for stacks by the river against the bigger stack (although against the smaller stack we can still do so, but we're going to need big bets on later streets). Also, the postflop street that a fish calls the loosest is the flop; we're missing huge value with our monsters by not betting them huge on the flop, because a fish can easily give up on later streets when they're backdoors/etc. don't materialize. Inducing stations to raise a preflop raiser is not a good plan; leave that for aggro players. Do you think any of these guys is folding TP or a draw to a PSB? Absolutely not. Heck, they might even still continue with a gutshot / second pair to a large bet.

And of course the main problem with the small flop bet is now we need monster bets on the turn/river in order to play for stacks. As played, we have to go extremely large on the turn (like $120) just so that we can have <= PSB left for the river.

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sorry i guys i wrote this when I was tired - but UTG straddles - Fish calls and other guy calls

I make it $25 pre - and only get 2 calls.


As with the flop size - I think it could of been bigger for sure - I may of made it $40 - but even still it should be bigger

could pretty much end thread here. nice post!

If they will call a PSB on the turn when a brick hits, why wouldn't they call a PSB on the flop? Especially with a wet board (it hits both broadway cards and flushes), you don't want to give them correct odds to call the flop. You want to make it small enough that they will call, but enough beyond break even to maximize your profit from the call.

grunch. More preflop. We want to be charging the fish and the fit-or-fold guy as much as possible preflop.


Flop: Bet more. This flop is likely to hit a lot of hands in our Vs range, plus you are allowing any draw to draw profitably, even just for 1 card. Plus, while being balanced is overrated, unless you are betting 1/3 pot with anything other than monsters, you are going to be in danger of tipping off your opponents to the strength of your hand with your bet sizing. Also, if either V has a Flush draw or QT, you really only have 2 streets to get your value from them, so build that pot.


as played, turn bet is good to set up a roughly PSB river shove.

Grunch: Fish gonna fish, I would raise this to more like $35 unless that sizing turbofolds the table. Also, 6bb uncontested for JJ isn't exactly a disaster either.

Flop: This sizing is horrible IMO, you give odds for any draws to just call. If fishy has Kx or SD or FD, he isn't folding for $50 or $60.

Turn: Fine, fishy has $325 behind for $380 pot. But say fishy folded and other guy came along OTF, you wouldn't be able to get him in nearly as easily.

Sorry fishy folded OTT but it's a mandatory bet.

Ya the flop wasn't too good - He did end up having an under pair - like pocket 5's or something - who knows, but he folded turn and said he had a baby pair - makes sense he called flop since I bet so small.

I don't think I could of gotten any action out of him but I didn't really like how I played this hand.

Oh well -