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09-03-2017 , 09:09 AM
I am crushing 500 NL live, but I have an issue with the blind wars.
It feels like a waste of time.
Is it best to play ultra tight, to fast forward to more +EV spots?

I'm considering opening to 5x(which will get tons of folds) with 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, ATo+, KJo+, QJo and just fold the rest.

It's not possible to chop the blinds at my casino.


Thoughts?
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09-03-2017 , 10:35 AM
That's 21% of hands, which is pretty tight. I would personally open any Ace in the SB. If you did that then that would be 29% of hands, which is a little better. Against an unknown I believe I open about 1/3 of my hands from the SB and I'm pretty tight. Some open 45% of hands from the SB against an unknown.
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09-03-2017 , 11:17 AM
Are you in the right forum? 500 nl is an online term. Most live players will say 2/5, 3/5 or even 5/5. In addition, it is extremely rare to have everyone fold to the SB in a live game.

That said, the answer is it depends. If the villain calls a lot of single raises in the BB, tighten your range. If he villain folds a lot, then open up.
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09-03-2017 , 11:57 AM
2-5 5-5 or whatever you prefer to call it.

I'm fully aware of what ranges that are "+EV" to open SB vs BB.


You guys are not getting the point.
So lets ask a different question:

For example is it worth the consumed time to squeeze out a bit of EV with K6s SB vs fish in BB?
Or just give up the EV? Fold and faster approach a spot with more +EV.
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09-03-2017 , 12:24 PM
It's too situational to have a definitive answer. Mostly though you are looking at squeezing out a very small amount of EV because you are OOP in a very small pot so just giving up a good portion of the time is probably best.

What are the blinds and how does your casino rake? If you are looking at a big rake then the trivial pot means folding everything but strong value is probably best. Play at 1/3 and 2/5 will be very different then 2/3 and 3/5 because of the portion of the BB you already have in, 5/5 is going to be an entirely different world for the same reason.

A lot will depend on how deep you are and villain. You will want to see more flops the deeper you are. You are always playing the same opponent in this situation so it's more about exploiting their specific flaws then having a general plan.
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09-03-2017 , 12:34 PM
1. Chop.
2. Call 100% and check it down if chopping is not allowed.
3. Make it $X and run it out.
Whatever makes the hand end quickly so we aren't wasting a lot of time trying to eek out a fraction of a blind of ev.
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09-03-2017 , 01:04 PM
My game is $2-5, 5% rake(CAP 15)

Raise to 25: 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, ATo+, KJo+, QJo

Limp: A9o-A8o, KTo-K9o, QTo, JTo.
I guess these are too strong to fold. If BB checks, these hands are considered to be premiums.

The rest of EV hands I will sacrifice to speed the game up.

I will open shove 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, ATo+, KJo+, QJo if BB has 40bb or less.

If my 5x opens gets called too often, I will increase it to 6x
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09-03-2017 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay
It's not possible to chop the blinds at my casino.
Playing blind vs blind, in a pot raked game, is really expensive. The fact that you can't chop sucks. I would be asking the other player if they want to check it down.
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09-03-2017 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Vandelay
My game is $2-5, 5% rake(CAP 15)

Raise to 25: 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, ATo+, KJo+, QJo

Limp: A9o-A8o, KTo-K9o, QTo, JTo.
I guess these are too strong to fold. If BB checks, these hands are considered to be premiums.

The rest of EV hands I will sacrifice to speed the game up.

I will open shove 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, ATo+, KJo+, QJo if BB has 40bb or less.

If my 5x opens gets called too often, I will increase it to 6x
you open shove 45s if bb is 40bb deep?
sorry, but
Spoiler:
wtf
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09-03-2017 , 03:34 PM
Yes, you read it correctly.

30,7% equity if called by 66+,ATs+,AJo+
That is 8,65% of hands.

If we get called for 40bb the pot will be 400(385 after rake).

385 x 0,307 = 118,195

200 - 118,195 = - 81,805 x 8,65(percent) = - 707,61

91,35% we will gets folds and pick up $7 = + 639,45

-707,61 + 639,45 = - $68,16 over 100 shoves.

However...
ATo is flipping against my range, and showing up with 54s will make my opponents call light incorrectly.
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