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08-09-2015 , 09:07 PM
Hello all, this is my first post on the forum, but I've been browsing for awhile. I am looking to maximize my ev on the tables and would like to know how I might have played some hands better.

I play 10 handed 1|2 NLTH at a local Indian casino in northern Michigan. The tables are generally extreme loose/passive and opponents should be considered as such unless otherwise noted.

I struggle to keep track of and remember all relevant information (not the purpose of the thread, but any advice on improving here?) Some information here may be inaccurate, but I'll do the best I can...

Villian in LP (very roughly 100BB): LAGfish, raising 30%-ish of hands when limped to him, and calling raises fairly wide regardless of position. Don't remember any post-flop info useful to the hand.
Hero in MP (very roughly 200BB): Tight image, maybe even nitty from playing very few hands (card dead mostly), but has won almost all of those he played and only had to show-down premium hands.

Hero is dealt A6

UTG straddles for 7, two calls from EP, Hero raises to 30$, villian calls, others fold.

I raise because I am far ahead of the limper's ranges (maybe 60% of hands or so) and will often get called by worse, and can easily fold to the unlikely 3-bet by anyone after me. The raise sizing is a little small, but I found this to be about the amount to get 0-2 callers heading to the flop at this table.

Flop ($80):
A69
I check after a few seconds thought, villian checks.
My normal line is to bet about 3/4 to full pot here for value from Ax, middle pairs and draws. Villian's range is so weak that I thought betting will fold out much of his range.
I believe that due to my nitty image I can represent a high pocket pair which is afraid of the ace, and villian has shown to be aggressive pre-flop, which may translate to post-flop aggression as well, although I know it doesn't always, so the check is to induce a bluff.

Turn ($80) X:
Hero bets $25, villian calls.
The bet is so small to get value against his weak range especially after his flop check-back and hopefully induce bluffs from this air and his draws.

River ($130) X:
I check again. I believe at this point his range is entirely non-top pairs and missed draws which won't call another street so I want again to induce a bluff, and a lot of weak players take my line with high pocket pairs.

My read wasn't very strong at all so I possibly underestimated villian's tendency to be aggressive post-flop based on the observation that he was aggressive pre-flop. It's also possible he had a weak holding with showdown value.
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08-09-2015 , 09:27 PM
I don't really like the open, especially if laggy opponent is IP on us but w/e.

What suit is the A on the flop? Either way I'm betting big against a spazz and 3betting if we are raised.

Can't really comment on other streets because you didn't put the cards...
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08-09-2015 , 09:39 PM
Unless the LAG is a spewtard, you shouldn't assume he's going to bet when checked to on an A-high board vs. a tight PF raiser.

I would have preferred a weakish-looking, small flop bet rather than a check...which might trigger an immediate raise or a bet if you check the turn.
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Last edited by DrChesspain; 08-09-2015 at 09:51 PM.
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08-09-2015 , 11:01 PM
Get a seat across from him or on his left. Not loving pre given LAG is on our left. I fold here. As played, sizing is good. Call me uncreative but I like betting the flop. Normal c bet sizing or a little less maybe 1/2PSB. Board is wet and V will call us with tons of stuff, often with the plan to take the way the pot if we don´t have an ace. Checking the flop and betting the turn will send off alarm bells if he is any good. Betting the flop and checking the turn would be interesting.

Given the flop I probably check/call the turn and go for the c/r on a lot of rivers. Maybe just c/r the turn.
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08-09-2015 , 11:17 PM
Preflop meh. Your ahead of limpers ranges but not hugely and your investing a lot of your stack with a marginal hand. Unless you get a particularly good flop it will be hard to tell where you are in the hand.

Flop should always be a bet. Top and bottom isn't strong enough to mess around with and board isn't super dry. What specific turn and river cards where make something of a difference but at some point you need to be betting this harder for value. Two pair is a fairly strong hand and you won't get many that good in a session. You want to get paid when you do.

If you think villain is really weak a bet/check/bet line is usually better. Without a very strong read on villain I would want a stronger hand or bone dry board before messing around.
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08-10-2015 , 01:39 PM
Flop should always be a bet here. As played, bet turn bigger.
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08-10-2015 , 04:24 PM
Flop is always a bet. If he is truly calling alot of raises pre OOP, you can expect him to call with most of the hands he would also bet (Bluff with).

You get value from a ton of his range.

If you think raising is correct pre. It should be because you think you have best hand and can get value post flop;

Or you think they fold to much postflop. Which is it?
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08-10-2015 , 04:58 PM
Agreed that preflop is meh, flop is a must-bet. If you want to represent weakness, you can "same bet" the flop ($30). If that's too obvious, bet $40-45. You're going to get value from his aces and his flush draws. You aren't going to get much value from his random k-high/q-high hands or his medium pockets. Target the value hands.
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08-10-2015 , 08:53 PM
Mistakes in order:

1) Bet for value. A6s is not a raising hand pre, A7+ will limp-call.
2) Charge draws. Top/bottom pair on two-tone semicoordinated board means lots of draws will pay for the turn, and multiway, you need to bet PSB or larger to capitalize on this.
3) bet for value. You can't induce bluffs from passive opponents.
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08-10-2015 , 11:28 PM
you flopped a dream and a drawy board and you check !? please bet the flop anytime you flop top two on a drawy board... sometimes you will grab the money, other times you get action - both are +EV. please bet.
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08-16-2015 , 02:57 PM
I do not remember the turn and river cards exactly, only that they weren't interesting to me at the time. Maybe I should start taking notes at the table.

About raising for value pre-flop, according to Equilab I am a decent favorite against a wide 5-50% limp/calling range, and still a slight favorite if I give my opponents more credit with a 5-40% limp/calling range. Sure, A7+ will limp call, but so will Kx, Qx type hands, random suited junk, etc. Given that I have position and a significant post-flop skill edge on these opponents I like raising depending on the likelihood of those left to act coming along. I think in LP this is a definite raise and MP is closer to marginal, but still +EV. I could also join the limp-fest with a good chance of seeing a flop cheaply at a passive table or just fold. Edit: Maybe 60% chance of a cheap flop with LAG two to my left.

Elaborating more on my reasoning for checking the flop, in the villian's position against the average tight pre-flop raiser I am betting this flop with almost atc when checked to HU and getting a huge number of folds from KK-, however, there are some problems with thinking the opponent will play the same way I would.

1. I may not be viewed as tight as I think I am by the table or this player
2. I only bluff in this spot against straightforward players who almost never check Ax here, and villian has no reason AFAIK to view me as straightforward
3. Villian may only be LAGgy pre-flop while still being a typical ABC-passive post-flop player.

In retrospect I definitely want to bet this flop. If I really want to get tricky and am committed to my read that villain is overly aggressive, a 1/3-1/2 sized PSB could look like a blocking bet with a marginal hand.

I'm not convinced I should be betting the turn too big because villian probably doesn't have Ax here, but 1/2 PSB is probably a better sizing than what I chose, accomplishing a similar thing while also charging draws more.

I don't understand the suggestion to pot or overbet the flop. The pot is HU and I don't need to bomb it to make drawing incorrect. Also, SPR is only 2 so I don't need to work so hard to GII against Ax.

I like the suggestion of a bet/check/bet line the best. A lot of players don't want to believe a c-bet and will call wide or float and the turn looks like I've given up.
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