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Slow played AKo pre. Flop x/r when A comes. Slow played AKo pre. Flop x/r when A comes.

11-28-2018 , 09:24 AM
To mix things up I decided to limp with Ako in a 1-1 game. Planned to reraise pre but no raise happened. Five players see flop.

Flop A43ddc I check, MP1 bets 7. MP2 calls. Blinds fold. I x/r to 21. MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

Effective stacks $200.

Turn 9s I lead out for 20 at ~45 pot after rake.He calls.

River 7h. I check, he bets 55, I call.

Comments on all streets?
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11-28-2018 , 09:33 AM
Flop c/r is spewy, imo. You are WA/WB, why c/r?
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11-28-2018 , 09:44 AM
MP2 was a very weak player with a short stack of about 30. I hoped she had say AT and would just go with it, or she has a draw and goes with it. MP1 was a strong player, effective stacks with him were deep.

Unfortunately it was MP1 who called, while MP2 folded

Also, if one V has say AT and one has A6, then if I just x/c then I'm giving free cards to 6 outs which I didn't like much - folding out one of those V holdings seemed good.

Also charging FDs/combo draws seemed good, but I don't know if I go with the hand if I face a big reraise on the flop from the deep stack Villain - probably fold it tbh vs him.
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11-28-2018 , 10:18 AM
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Also, if one V has say AT and one has A6, then if I just x/c then I'm giving free cards to 6 outs which I didn't like much - folding out one of those V holdings seemed good.
6 outs is about 24% to hit on turn or river. There is really no need to blow those hands out of the water when you could get value from them. B/F charges them without blowing them up, or x/c if they are pretty sure to bet and let them value town themselves.

Also, put this info about Vs in your OP, please. You'll get much better comments.
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11-28-2018 , 10:18 AM
Many Ax and small pockets are limping, especially in a 1/1 game.

Since no one raises preflop I will abort trap plan and check/call all the way. (maybe folding depending on action)


Against 5 players, given the way hand was played, I think you will be against sets or 2 pair hands most of times.
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11-28-2018 , 12:07 PM
Don't limp rr in a 1/1 game they're all just going to limp and see the flop.
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11-28-2018 , 12:17 PM
I doubt you are getting 4 streets of value from MP1 from much worse than TPTK. Why not just bet the flop? You’d look silly if the flop checked around, anyway.

You probably have to fold to a check raise which kinda sucks, but at least there aren’t any Ax flush draws around. And lots of players at 1-1 wouldn’t c/r bluff here (even though MP1 would).
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11-28-2018 , 12:33 PM
After the hand, I also thought the flop x/r was kind of spewy. TPTK is a small pot hand. Bloating OOP felt dangerous.

B/f flop seems best, charging the draws. X/c is probably fine as at least one villain might well value town themselves by betting turn as Garick said

Anyway, should I call the river bet? What are we putting Villain on when he bets about half pot on river?
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11-28-2018 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by vanvliet
After the hand, I also thought the flop x/r was kind of spewy. TPTK is a small pot hand. Bloating OOP felt dangerous.

B/f flop seems best, charging the draws. X/c is probably fine as at least one villain might well value town themselves by betting turn as Garick said

Anyway, should I call the river bet? What are we putting Villain on when he bets about half pot on river?
In my opinion, after c/r call on the flop, that size on the river is almost always for value. better than AK
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11-28-2018 , 06:33 PM
Yeah probably right.

He had A9o for a turned two pair.
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11-29-2018 , 03:26 AM
At my local that play is very profitable because a large % of players is opening super light and fold almost nothing when facing a 3 bet.

I may be wrong but I thinks it is not very profitable doing that with AK type hands. I will only do that with QQ+ and 3 bet super large to thin the field.

The reason for this is that with so many limpers even if someone raises and Hero 3bet, almost all limpers are calling a standard 3bet.
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11-29-2018 , 04:18 AM
Preflop: You can go either way here. Either open raising or limp-reraising are both fine. It just depends on your overall strategy and the table dynamics. Bad luck that it limped around.

Flop: I like the x/r but I don't like the sizing. I'd bump it up to at least $30 here. I expect weaker Ax hands to be quite inelastic on the flop, so I want to punish them for that.

Turn: Again, I'm happy to see the bet here, but I hate the sizing. It's way too small. You want to be going at least $35 here when there's $45 in the pot.

River: I would prefer to continue firing here for something like $65, however, it's okay to x/c instead, particularly if you unblock diamonds.
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11-29-2018 , 07:19 AM
Cassule, Yeah I'm not sure about the l/r plan pre.

I think if a villain opens and gets called in a few spots and hero is quite short stacked then it seems a super-solid squeeze play.

Deep-stacked, usually other players will not cold-call the 3 bet. If only the opener calls then I guess we should fire at most flops and we should be picking up the pot most of the time.

6, AP, your sizings on flop and turn might well be better than mine. With my tight image against this villain, I wouldn't bet $65 river as I wouldn't get called by worse and it's possible he could bluff river with missed diamonds when I check. But with your image you might well get called by worse I guess. (Enjoy your PGC thread, congrats on recent upswing, GL in Sydney).
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