Both hands happened early at a 1/2 session in a NH poker room.

Both hands started within 30 minutes of the session so no true reads besides (stereotypes).

Hand #1

H has 200 and is dealt J10o in BB, limps around the flop with 5 players is

Q94ss ($10), checks around,

Q942ss, SB bets 6, H and young indian kid (CO) make the call

Q942Kss (28~) Flush misses, young kid bets out of turn for 20, SB calls kid on it and dealer makes him remove bet, SB leads out for 25. What should H size be?


Hand #2

H (240ish) looks down to AKo in Button, two limps to H, who makes it 15, tight (nit-like) older BB makes call, UTG limper calls, V young indian kid ships it for 57.

Hero should reraise here trying to isolate is my thinking, is shoving the best size or should H go a little smaller like 120ish?

H1: I probably just call, assuming that CO will often spite raise. I def look left for a read. If he's pre-setting a call, I raise, but otherwise I likely flat.

H2: Are you the effective stack? If not, what are BB and UTG's stacks?

Both BB and UTG have me covered, I have about 240, BB has about 350, UTG has about 450-500 (UTG and I have played before numerous times, Not a OMC per say but a solid TAG, while BB physically is the text-book definition of OMC)

Hand 1: Look at the kid and try to get a read on his action. If he is ready to fold then raise. If he is planning to raise then flat call and let him make the raise.

The hard case is if he is planning to flat call. That situation is a judgement call on how often you can get anybody to call a raise. My inclination is raise. It looks very much like the nuts given the action but there is a lot more money to be made if you can get call.

Hand 2: If your going to raise then shove is the only size. And that should be somewhat more profitable then flatting.

H1 is weird. I think you have to raise. You may let the Indian kid off, but the opener is never folding with that action. Probably make it $60-65. Any action you take other than folding looks like JT. Might as well try to get paid a little. Maybe a stubborn 2pr or set calls it off.

H2 ship it. I think it’s clear.

H1: TBH, you're mostly chopping with at least 1 villain. I'd flat.

H2: Get everyone else out of the hand and shove.

H1 is weird. Rare that someone will call out an out of turn bet, then make a bigger bet themselves. Seems like a rules nit (not that it’s a bad thing to be, have to police stuff like these out of turn bets). So I think I like the idea of a call/backraise as the out of turn bettor may be dumb enough to raise a rivered Kings up after a bet and a call.

H2 I think I agree, just shove. We very likely have the LRR crushed and I see no reason to raise to half of your stack. When you can’t raise to 1/3rd of the eff stack, just play jams when you want to raise.


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Actually super common from my experience. They're just complete morons. It's the equivalent of someone saying UTG is the best position because you get to "start the betting". He has some kind of high pair and doesnt want any more action and thinks if *he* is the one who bets he somehow has control of the pot. He'd rather lead and get 1 caller than see the kid bet out of turn and get 3 callers because then he's confused and doesnt know what to do.

I'd minraise here and hope to get the kid and SB idiot to call.

Hand2 definitely shove because you absolutely want to see a river here if you whiff the flop.

Results

Hand #1: After SB bets 25, H min raises to 50, Button V quickly folds, and SB folds after a few moments.

Hand#2: Facing the 57 all in, H elects to raise to 135, and SB V tank folds, and BB quickly folds.

SB states he folded pocket 8s, ALL-IN V shows k8ss and flops the case 8 for the scoop lol. Oh well.

^ uhg hand 1 still tilts me to no end, because if the kid got to keep his bet then chances are someone else may have called without the SB ****tard making a scene about it scaring off customers, and may have even called himself.