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10-25-2013 , 10:58 PM
Table: 1/2, Friday afternoon. 9 handed.

Hero: I've been very active. Raised at least 7 hands since I've sat down about an hour ago. 3! once against this villain when he flatted a LP raise. Overall I have a very aggressive image. I've been getting cards, but they don't know that. ($350)

V: Seems a bit passive but in a previous hand, he called a LP raise, I 3! for 4.3x from the SB, a limper cold called, V called and OR folded. I bet .5 psb on the flop, both called. Turn ck ck and v shipped for a PSB (around $200) and we both folded. Calls a decent amount IP pre flop. 50/50 on continuing call OTF and fold. He hasn't shown down any hand that would characterize him. ($450)

Hand:
Hero raises to $15 from UTG with KK
Random calls
Random calls
V calls

Flop ($59): T23
Hero bets $45
2 folds
V calls

Turn ($149): 5
Hero bets $105
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10-26-2013 , 12:06 AM
Pre and flop are good. Turn I probably make it $120 to eek out a little extra value the times Villain calls turn but folds river. $105 still sets up a river shove.
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10-26-2013 , 06:45 AM
Standard...
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10-26-2013 , 07:11 AM
Looks good

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10-26-2013 , 08:58 AM
what is the question? could go a touch bigger on Turn as you went 75% PSB on Flop and slightly smaller on Turn but you are still fine ... only worried about TT here, not really thinking Arag from V. You really wont have any FE on River ...

You can see that you got very little 'respect' UTG with 15 this hand by getting 3 callers. This opens up V range being last to call so small PP or Arag might be in range. Increase your opening bet a bit until you get HU OOP. You dont (shouldnt) change your opening range but going to Flop OOP multiway is a tough spot unless you are real comfortable with it. GL
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10-26-2013 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
what is the question?
I'm asking about how big my turn bet size should be.

Just looking for feedback. I feel that bet sizing is an area that I need work on.
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10-28-2013 , 11:30 AM
Bet sizing is both board and opponent's range dependent. Does your opponent's range hit this board? Always make sure that they are paying a premium for any draws they might have ... which in this case is not many.

You also want to look at stacks and how your bets will effect later streets. In this case here you will be 'offering' 3 to 1 on a River call if you shove in your last $185. That is a nicely sized remaining stack if V is really paying attention to such details. On the flip side it's still a decent stack at 92bb to get away from if an Ace or Ten hit the River and you feel inclined to c/f to a shove.

As long as you feel you have the best hand, then you need to bet whatever you think will keep your opponent in the hand while still charging a premium on any draw they may have. GL
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10-29-2013 , 09:30 PM
Larger on turn is my only "suggestion" but I think that looks fine as you played it. The board is super dry and unless he's calling with A4 suited you're good. If he setted you, so be it. I'm feeling a 9T, 56 type hand or low PP like 88 77 with no re raise pre. Since he did float, he could have QQ or AA since you've been active... But I doubt many villains have the "wherewithal" to throw you the rope and not pop it pre with 2 callers after your raise.
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10-29-2013 , 11:25 PM
I think its good sizing. Live players are really bad at understanding pot growth. So most players would consider $120 to be a very large bet and he folds a larger part of his range. I think people tend to bet the turn a little bigger than they should because of this psychological effect. I like your sizing here where he isn't all that likely to have that strong of a hand a lot of the time. Lets try to max value out of his Tx range.
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10-29-2013 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 Bullits
Pre and flop are good. Turn I probably make it $120 to eek out a little extra value the times Villain calls turn but folds river. $105 still sets up a river shove.
I agree with this.

I think "setting up a river shove" is generally used mistakenly -- your goal should not be to leave exactly one PSB left, if you want to play for stacks you actually want to leave yourself even less than that because a lot of players can find a fold to a PSB. A river PSB when you have bet two streets is going to be massive, I think you are substantially more likely to get a call by betting a bit more on flop and turn and then laying like 3:1 odds on the river.
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10-30-2013 , 12:56 AM
I personally like it and think it's pretty standard for setting up a river shove. You could bet a tad bigger OTT as others have said. This gets immediate value from hands that may find a fold OTR. It also leaves a smaller river bet possibly enticing a call. WP.

Just curious but, who's bet/folding the turn here?
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10-30-2013 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DK Barrel
I think "setting up a river shove" is generally used mistakenly -- your goal should not be to leave exactly one PSB left, if you want to play for stacks you actually want to leave yourself even less than that because a lot of players can find a fold to a PSB. A river PSB when you have bet two streets is going to be massive, I think you are substantially more likely to get a call by betting a bit more on flop and turn and then laying like 3:1 odds on the river.
First time I've seen this in words, although I've known that pot/pot/pot doesn't get called often enough. I made a comment about this in GG's 1000hr thread that horrible Vs will call/call/fold when the river is a PSB. Thanks for laying it out this way.
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