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Old 01-05-2014, 10:38 PM   #1
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Simple Hand bothering me

New to forum playing for over 5 years though. game is live 1/2 nl.

Read: somehow seated with villain 3 days in a row despite large amount of tables running. Hes pretty loose but his favorite move seems to be shoving the river with nothing with either 4 card straight or flushes out there into single or multi way pots. Has been called and lost or not called and shown at least 7 times. Otherwise seemed like a typical aggressive gambling fish with minor grasp of some concepts. Usually calls flop with weaker holdings if in position. Stack size 700.

Hero has A A in the small blind stack size 250.

3 limpers in MP, Hero raises to 14, villain calls from bb, limpers fold.

Flop J 8 4

Hero bets 25 into pot of 31, Villain calls

Turn 10

Hero bets 60 into pot of 80, Villain Calls

River 2

Hero bets 120, Villain sighs, then calls.

Not sure if his sigh tilted me or not but I can't figure out this hand or forget about it based on the way it went and what I thought was a solid read, seemed like QJ all the way as he would likely raise sets or tptk. To me it seems like I guess the question is can I shutdown on any street or should I have at least bet less on the river or am I just over thinking this.

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Old 01-05-2014, 10:50 PM   #2
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Re: Simple Hand bothering me

Id raise more pre probably $20-25. Asides from that vs described villain it looks fine. He must have put you on Q9 or 79 lol. Im assuming he had J10? J8?
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:52 PM   #3
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Hand looks good to me, I prolly cbet flop smaller because the board is really dry, but otherwise hand looks good.
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:55 PM   #4
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New to forum playing for over 5 years though. game is live 1/2 nl.

Read: somehow seated with villain 3 days in a row despite large amount of tables running. Hes pretty loose but his favorite move seems to be shoving the river with nothing with either 4 card straight or flushes out there into single or multi way pots. Has been called and lost or not called and shown at least 7 times. Otherwise seemed like a typical aggressive gambling fish with minor grasp of some concepts. Usually calls flop with weaker holdings if in position. Stack size 700.

Hero has A A in the small blind stack size 250.

3 limpers in MP, Hero raises to 14, villain calls from bb, limpers fold.

Flop J 8 4

Hero bets 25 into pot of 31, Villain calls

Turn 10

Hero bets 60 into pot of 80, Villain Calls

River 2

Hero bets 120, Villain sighs, then calls.

Not sure if his sigh tilted me or not but I can't figure out this hand or forget about it based on the way it went and what I thought was a solid read, seemed like QJ all the way as he would likely raise sets or tptk. To me it seems like I guess the question is can I shutdown on any street or should I have at least bet less on the river or am I just over thinking this.
Why didn't you just push the river? The 120 river bet only leaves you about 30 behind. The only thing I would have done different is announce all in on the river. Seems like a pretty straightforward hand.
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:58 PM   #5
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You should either be checking or shoving river. Can't image V is calling you down with just one pair but if you view him as fishy he can easily be stationing with a J. It's important to know what V thinks of your image also
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:03 PM   #6
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Re: Simple Hand bothering me

Shove the river. If he is calling $120 then he is calling $151.
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Old 01-06-2014, 12:52 AM   #7
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Re: Simple Hand bothering me

Id raise more pre probably $20-25. Asides from that vs described villain it looks fine. He must have put you on Q9 or 79 lol. Im assuming he had J10? J8?

15 dollar raises weren't even being called hence the 14, dollar here and there seemed to make a difference at this table. Can't imagine he thought i had those hands since I never showed bad hand throughout the time playing with him. And yea J10 off no less, can't even use the suited donk excuse lol


You should either be checking or shoving river. Can't image V is calling you down with just one pair but if you view him as fishy he can easily be stationing with a J. It's important to know what V thinks of your image also


I thought about checking but given his tendency to bluff the river I think folding to any bet would have been nearly impossible so figured the outcome would have been the same.
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Old 01-06-2014, 01:09 AM   #8
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You left yourself like 30 behind? Ship it dude.

Raise more pro, 20 minimum.
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Old 01-06-2014, 01:18 AM   #9
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Re: Simple Hand bothering me

grunch: Is he the kind of player who will call 3 streets with worse than your AA? If so, then GH. If not you may want to consider checking the turn.

And just shove if you're going to bet.
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Old 01-06-2014, 01:59 AM   #10
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How does he sigh call with J10? Any way hand looks fine other than the odd river bet. Ship it. If you lost just be glad you saved 30 bucks/15bb. Results?

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Old 01-06-2014, 02:16 AM   #11
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As others have stated shove river you're losing value when you leave 30 behind. WP Sometimes the fish win
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Old 01-06-2014, 03:09 AM   #12
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Re: Simple Hand bothering me

I have no clue why I left 30 behind I knew that was a mistake the second I noticed the chips sitting there. Other than that my anxiety has been quelled from these posts, just know that the way it goes. I think the way it happened is what bothered me, watching suck out happen after all in or making a poor call is no problem, but there's something about betting 3 streets with full confidence and getting a sigh call only to show top two and be crushed kinda sucks. oh well.
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Old 01-06-2014, 03:17 AM   #13
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Re: Simple Hand bothering me

OP,

nh, unlucky. Villain probably sigh calls if two low bricks run out or the board pairs. Hell he probably calls turn if a Q or K fall.
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:15 AM   #14
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Re: Simple Hand bothering me

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Shove the river. If he is calling $120 then he is calling $151.


yup

And for those who think villain doesnt call down with top pair, how many pots have you won lately by making a routine ordinary weak player fold top pair on the river?
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Old 01-06-2014, 09:20 AM   #15
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yup

And for those who think villain doesnt call down with top pair, how many pots have you won lately by making a routine ordinary weak player fold top pair on the river?
Haven't posted ITT yet nor have I played this low in a long time but I'm pretty sure I'm right when I'm saying a decent % of recreational players at 1/2 and 2/5 would fold QJ type top pair hands in this spot at 1/2nl. It's not like he's definitely folding though, I'd say you probably get a call by QJ from a random recreational player as OP has described about 50-60% of the time? Let me know if that's accurate for 1/2 because if I'm dead wrong I'm interested to hear how wrong, why, etc.
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Old 01-06-2014, 10:36 AM   #16
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Haven't posted ITT yet nor have I played this low in a long time but I'm pretty sure I'm right when I'm saying a decent % of recreational players at 1/2 and 2/5 would fold QJ type top pair hands in this spot at 1/2nl. It's not like he's definitely folding though, I'd say you probably get a call by QJ from a random recreational player as OP has described about 50-60% of the time? Let me know if that's accurate for 1/2 because if I'm dead wrong I'm interested to hear how wrong, why, etc.



Well, first off if he is the type to flat a raise in the BB with QJo, and then would call a 80/100 bet on the turn OOP with the same hand, now you dont think he will call 40 more on the river with top pair? Call 80 on turn, fold for 120 on river? Really?


Ummmm, no. Whatever he called the turn with will call river a great majority of the time if player is rec or routine, anything other than a real grinder.

Ok, so if you have not played 1-2 much as assume the players play reasonable like rec 2-5 players might, then your transference of tendencies is off, yet understandable.

I would guess that if he liked his hand well enough to call almost pot on turn, then he calls more upwards of 80%+ on river if board doesnt change.
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Old 01-06-2014, 10:42 AM   #17
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How does he sigh call with JTo?

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Results?
Dude what?

OP well played other than riverbet,(shouldve lost 31 more) I'd have to admit I'd get pissed when villain sigh-calls w/top two as well.

At the same time you might want to work on your image tho if villain sighcalls there
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Old 01-06-2014, 10:49 AM   #18
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I'd probably check call river or more likely bet smaller as he sounds like the guy to shove his weaker pair + SD hands otr as a bluff rather than one to call down with weaker one pair type hands.

Don't check the turn as it improves a lot of his hands to pair + SD but less of them to two pair.

If he's definitely calling river shoves with JX then it's a no-brainer shove but your line looks strong so I don't know how true this is.

You can probably get away with raising a little larger, playing AA oop to several opponents is not what you want and you can probably get more value(worked out this time though).
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Old 01-06-2014, 11:12 AM   #19
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I have no clue why I left 30 behind I knew that was a mistake the second I noticed the chips sitting there. Other than that my anxiety has been quelled from these posts, just know that the way it goes. I think the way it happened is what bothered me, watching suck out happen after all in or making a poor call is no problem, but there's something about betting 3 streets with full confidence and getting a sigh call only to show top two and be crushed kinda sucks. oh well.
The sigh call is what tilted you (it would of tilted me) whether it was intentional or not. Just gotta take a deep breath and take a lithe break from playing.
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Old 01-06-2014, 11:14 AM   #20
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Dude what?

OP well played other than riverbet,(shouldve lost 31 more) I'd have to admit I'd get pissed when villain sigh-calls w/top two as well.

At the same time you might want to work on your image tho if villain sighcalls there
Super tilting
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:14 AM   #21
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Shove the river. If he is calling $120 then he is calling $151.
Ya this the hand is played fine JT is prob all you're beat by or a dumb T8
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:15 AM   #22
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I'd probably check call river or more likely bet smaller as he sounds like the guy to shove his weaker pair + SD hands otr as a bluff rather than one to call down with weaker one pair type hands.

Don't check the turn as it improves a lot of his hands to pair + SD but less of them to two pair.

If he's definitely calling river shoves with JX then it's a no-brainer shove but your line looks strong so I don't know how true this is.

You can probably get away with raising a little larger, playing AA oop to several opponents is not what you want and you can probably get more value(worked out this time though).
Check calling is good against a lot of villains but not this one
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