Dynamics Bb's first hand. He sat down and waited 1 hand for BB. Starts with about $200, and he's a 20-some African American kid. But also very importantly the button is an awful player. He's calling 100% hands preflop --regardless of raise size-- I stacked him earlier when we got in KK vs 65dd AIPF for a whole BI. we moved to be on his left and want to play pots with him very badly.

1/2 live we cover table.

6 or so limps to us we complete SB with QJss BB checks.

Flop QQ6 rainbow.

We check. BB checks. EP bets $6 into $14. Button station calls. We call. BB calls setting off alarms.

Turn 7 rainbow. We lead $25.
BB calls EP folds Button station calls.

So our thoughts on this hand are we don't know what BB has, likely Qx, but the button is an unbelievable station who will call $100 river with a 6...

River 9.

We bet $70, BB shoves for $150, button folds and now we have to call $80 to win a little over $250.

What was your plan when you bet the river, you really have to know what you are going to do here before you make the bet

In a vacuum BB can have enough crappy Q that you probably can't fold here, but you're going to lose a lot of the time

Given the pot odds it's a sigh/call. Being the BB in a limped pots opens up BB's range to include worse QX and you don't know how far he will go with them or how hard he will push with them yet.

Betting the river was the mistake. Up to that point it's good but when you get 2 calls on the turn bet you need to hit the brakes. It's hard for BB to be in the hand with less then QX. Check/call river gives you a better chance of getting some value from worse and gives you a chance of folding of BB over shoves the river.

raise pre

leading turn sounds pretty terrible

as played river is 80 to win 335, i can't find a fold but the hand is pretty misplayed imo.

Pretty easy call. The BB got a pass and can hold literally any Qx. Your kicker plays. Calling all day for 3:1 odds.

If you c river bb probably bets $75 and button calls thinking you're folding. Something like that is easy overcall for me given reads. In paired board three way action on river I try to get non believer to call other paired card holder's bet if possible based on position.

Did the BB have JJ or 66?

Lead flop. Bigger ott. Stuff river.

As played you're not making a mistake either calling or folding, vs unknown I call but expect to get shown a boat quite often.

Call. You're probably way ahead. Young guys love to play first hand super aggressive to cement an image to the table often times and can get most regs to lay down better hands with the river shove. The river bet plays right into him. Crying call, too bad he had like Q6 or whatever, should have raised pre.

V is a complete unknown playing 1/2. There are enough morons who play 1/2 that can overvalue worse that it's pretty much always a call.

Complete unknown BB x/c flop should not be setting off alarms and is extremely mubsy on your part (exception would be if V was old enough to remember WWII)

Also, you should bet the flop. You have a fairly nutted hand in a limped pot and need to get $$ in asap. There is not PFR to check to.

+1

This flop checking through is a disaster. If you end up not getting the money AI by the river against QT-, it's also a disaster

open pre,

as played lead flop nobody is gonna have better qx generally and you want worse qx to come along for 3 streets

as played not folding river vs unknown

we're definitely calling. He's the BB so he could have every other queen out there, and they're probably all playing it like this just as happy as you are playing yours.

This is no brain call. /thread


If you wanna talk about checkin river possibly but as played you never fold QJ here. He might have Q9 oh well or 66

Hey guys, thanks for the responses.

I lead turn because I didn't want it to check through, still liking my hand a lot, and thinking original bettor who bet $6 would likely check to the station on the button, and no more money would go in the pot. Because I was guaranteed to get called by the button for $25, I wanted to bet here, even though we could be beat, we still have decent equity.

Arguments for checking river are very valid, however, by thought process was largely dominated by the player on the button, not the BB (which is incorrect). I value bet here 100% sure I would be called by worse by the button, and if hte BB had us beat, so be it. I didn't want to risk this checking through.

This is actually very interesting, and something I will consider in the future.


Having good relative position on the BB, a check here could be good if I'm sure he'll bet. If he's going to check a hand like TT or something though we miss a lot of value.




Results: We bet $70, BB shoved for $150, Button called, and we sigh called. He had Q4hh and we shipped it. The reason I posted was in a vacuum I really believed this was a bad call. We beat QT, but I really believed that all other Q's would just call, except for boats. I thought he was simply never shoving worse. Obviously I was wrong, and shipped a nice one.