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05-28-2017 , 06:01 PM
Hello all, I have a bit of online poker experience but just started playing live, so I would like to get your input on a hand I played in a 1/2 game recently.

I'm a 20's WG, been playing fairly tight, not much action since the table opened about an hour ago. Bought in $300, down to $226.

Villain 1 is an older lady, playing very nitty, lost most of her stack with JJ to a flush a few orbits ago and is sitting with $21.

Villain 2 is a 30's BG, playing a lot of hands, but seems passive, mostly limping/calling and calling down every street. Lost his stack, bought back in for $100, won a few pots and now has $230.

I have QQ in the SB. Three limpers to villain 1 in hijack, who goes ai for $21. Folds to me in the SB. Normally I would be 3-betting here, but with it being limped around I expect bumping to $60 would fold out the rest of the field. I don't want to play a $42 coin toss against villain 1's likely range of JJ+, so I call, hoping to get some callers behind and play a side pot with a very disguised hand.

It seems from the little experience I have in this game, that people are likely to call these tiny all-ins with ATC just for the thrill of cracking aces with a junk hand.

Villain 2 calls UTG+1, and another player in MP calls.

Main pot is $88, 4 players to the flop.

Flop is T 8 5

I think I'm very likely ahead of villain 2's range here, and behind villain 1, but I expect villain 2 will sticky with most any pair, overcard, or draw if I make a bet that looks like I'm just trying to force him out of the pot. Otherwise, from what I've seen, this hand will just get checked down all the way, because the limp/callers just want to see a showdown. I decide to bet out $50.

Villain 2 looks disgusted, but calls fairly quickly. MP folds.

Goes to the turn with 3 players, main pot $88, side pot $100. Turn is 5

I have $155 behind, Villain 2 has $159. Turn card hasn't changed much, I still expect to be ahead of Villain 2, so what should my move be here?
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05-29-2017 , 02:33 AM
Welcome to the live streets!
I don't mind the way you played pre if you're looking for action.
The turn is not a bad card for you and because of the drawy board I would shove here.
Now, his disgusted look OTF probably means he was expecting you to check it down because of the all in player. So his hand doesn't look like a power house - very likely some TPWK or a weak draw both of which might call you anyway given the player profile you described. So you could go either way: milk the curious TPWK with a small bet and accept the risk of being drawn out on some Jhigh flush or something similar or just stick it all in and charge the draws full price and maybe risk loosing the TPWK. I would shove though.

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05-29-2017 , 04:03 AM
QQ doesnt play very well 4 way. You should be reraising here to 50-60. I think you are giving cillans far too much credit. The old lady w $21 has a wider range than JJ+, and fish cold call 3 bets pre all the time. If you make it 50, i bet you get one caller half the time, which is better than 2 callers all the time with the flat, especially OOP. Maybe you could flat w AA, but QQ? No just reraise.

As played: Flop is an obvious bet, dont even need to put Vs on a range here, you have a good hand, so now you extract value, they are calling with 1 pair, fd, maybe gutshots, a lot of stuff. 5 hits turn, too late now vs a fish, time to ship it, he may have 5x but he will call with all kinda of garbage as well.
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05-30-2017 , 09:25 AM
I decided to shove the turn, hoping it looks a little like a bluff given the disguised strength of my hand. V says "****" and turns KTo face up, then tanks for about 2 minutes before finally folding.

River is a brick, and all in V shows aces. As soon as I muck, another player, I would consider the best at the table, tells V2, "You should have called him man, he didn't have ****, AK at best if he couldn't beat aces."

So I guess my line seemed bluffy. I just wondered about turn bet sizing. Being new to live play, it seems like players have horrible bet sizing and don't pay attention to pot size, just dollar amount of the bet. Like betting/calling, 15 pre, 15 flop, 20 turn, 20 river.

Would it usually be better in this situation to make an lol size bet for value, like 40-50, and have more chance of being called by anything on the river because he has to see a showdown?

Seems bad to give draws correct odds to call, but maybe that's the best way to extract value?
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