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05-12-2018 , 07:17 AM

Chumbardo

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Villain is a TAG MAWG. Haven't seen him do anything out of line, but I haven't really been paying attention to the action.

6 handed straddle pot, Villain opens 35 from the SB, I call from the BB with QJo, and the straddler calls. Pots 105

Flop J102r. Villain leads 55 I call and bb fold. Pots 210

Turn is a 9. He checks and I'm tired, so I tank check trying to figure out if I should bet to get value from A10/AK/AQ type hands.
River is a jack, so we have trips. He leads for 40, I raise to 200, and then he reraises to 800.

Hero??

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05-12-2018 , 07:21 AM

Petrucci

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Fold on the river when he bombs you,easy fold. 3 bet raise on the river like this is like 99 percent the nutz.

If this is a tight middle aged guy who havent been out of line at all, i fold this pre pretty easily too. QJ off is a trap hand with huge reverse implied odds attached to it: edit as this hand probably also is yet another proof of.

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05-12-2018 , 08:21 AM

javi

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The only thing I can think of that would check this turn is exactly KQ, and I think those hands squeeze from the SB in a straddled pot no problem, at least if it's suited. His 1/4 bet is kinda weird but not out of line if he thinks youre like ridiculously weak and will call just to see his hand. I doubt he's worried about you having a boat because who checks a set on a drawy turn card like this?

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05-12-2018 , 08:36 AM

Lapidator

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Originally Posted by Chumbardo

Hand history is incorrect. Hero is BB? BB folds otf? I presume you mean straddle folds.

Looks like he has a boat to me. Easy b/f.

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05-12-2018 , 08:43 AM

ChrisV

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This is a super easy fold pre. Your position sucks, your relative position sucks, it's a 7BB raise and your hand is very mediocre.

God knows what he has, but the number of players who can bluff 3bet a river at LLSNL is statistically equal to zero, so you have to fold. It's actually a great spot for a bluff because you are capped, as javi mentioned, but there's no way I'm putting some guy on a river 3bet bluff without some specific information that he's capable of it.

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05-12-2018 , 08:51 AM

hyperknit

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I don’t have too much to add to what’s already been said, but I will say u could 3b bluff QJo preflop which is also reasonable. I don’t like to call.

As played, I fold the riv

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05-12-2018 , 09:16 AM

javi

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oh yeah forgot to mention, preflop call is poor. Even if villain has something like 78s, playing QJo 2nd to act without initiative with what might end up being 5 other players is just the nut low, you'll never make any hand you can play for stacks with. You're just begging to flop top pair or 2 pair and lose it all with a hand like this. And as someone mention there's a slight 2% chance you could 4bet bluff pre just because of the SB squeeze, but it's so high variance since we're really just guessing unless you have a lock solid read/history with him.

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05-12-2018 , 09:43 AM

venice10

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If the villain is truly a TAG, it is a fold pf. That said, the number of actual TAGs playing LLSNL is just slightly above the number of players that will 3bet bluff at the river.

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