Hey all,

Just started to play some live cash and getting a feel for it. Quite a lot of adjusting to do from 6 handed online, so am working it all out.

I've had a few hands recently where thinking about it afterwards, the correct play would seem to have been shoving the turn. Example:

2nd hand at table my image is aggressive after raising last pot from EP and winning without showdown. Table is full of fish as low buy in tournament at the card room that day, so its three regs and 6 unidentified funsters.

1 - 1 blinds. 200 effective stacks.
I open 45hh utg+1 to 5 (likely will be removing this from EP range, even when table is passive)
Five callers
Flop t34
I Cbet 15 and get one caller, a small timid looking youngster
Turn 7
I check he bets 32. I call he looks surprised and a little upset.
River 6
I lead for 50 he raises I fold, he shows q3

Looking back I wish I had check shoved turn. In your experience is this madness / unnecessary / fps in loose passive games? Waiting around all night for aces and hoping someone pays you off without drawing out on you is somewhat tedious... But I think getting too fancy is probably burning money...

The question is do you think generally against an unknown weaker player check shoving turns with good equity is a decent play or burning money? Are they generally capable of folding decent draws / top pair on the turn to check shoves? I know it depends, but anyone have moves like this, or just stick to abc against the fish? I'm quite aware I butchered this hand on every street, as I say, I'm adjusting! Any feedback humbly taken, thanks.

Stopping c betting in EP into 5 people with 54hh on a board of T43dd is also a good adjustment to make.

Fold pre

You don't need to rely on fold equity as much in live poker as you do in online 6max. We can wait for big edges

C/r here with your hand is mostly spew, fish generally don't like to fold top pair or flush draws. Focus first on value, you can restrict your bluffs into flop cbets and semi-bluffs and be very profitable

Opening baby SCs in ep probably not profitable in LLSNL full ring.

We tend to not have the FE we think we should. Which is precisely why we can go for big value. I know some players who will stack off with any pair + FD regardless if the pair or quality of the FD.

Since a lot of them can't bet/fold it fundamentally eliminates a lot of c/r bluffing spots.

If the table is bad enough to let you get away with price setting and will still pay you off post, I don't mind the occasional raise with low suited connectors. If the table will let you get away with it, price setting with pocket pairs works well and mixing the occasional low/medium suited connector in is good.

You should give this up on the flop though, you didn't actually flop well. You have a very low second pair, only back door straights and there is a very obvious flush draw you need to miss. When you raise in EP and get multiple callers your looking to flop a big hand or big draw before you get aggressive.

As for check/shoving this turn it's suicide. You happen to have good equity against this villain but against most betting hands you don't have much equity and will have trouble getting enough folds. Live 9/10 handed vs online 6 max is very different, your going to have to learn to play OOP much less and play more careful with marginal hands.

PF: As you already noted, this is generally too wide of an open. You should be playing very tight from EP, especially when you don't have a lot of experience to draw on, since opening light from EP will put you in some extremely tough spots postflop.

Flop: I'm just giving up here vs. 5 callers. The T is very likely to have hit one of them, and your hand is marginal and not likely to get any better.

Turn: I hate, hate, hate your turn c/c. What river cards are you going to be happy with? C/shoving here would be spew as well. Obviously it would be great if you knew villain had exactly Q3dd, but against his range, you're crushed here. Turn should be a c/f.

River: Fine, but we never should have gotten to this point.

I am not an expert, but here is how I would have played this hand from start to finish. Your mileage may vary.

Preflop: Fold

Flop: Someone tricked me into raising preflop, and I flopped middle (lol) pair in a six way pot. SOMEONE is bound to have a ten or diamonds, and I have no business being in this pot. I check/fold.

Turn: I stumbled into a gut shot somehow because someone forced me to continue playing this hand by betting flop. I have probably 5 outs (2 4s, 3 6s). I discount the 6 of diamonds because a 15 dollar bet on a 30 dollar flop pot is likely to bring along a diamond flush draw player. The only other player in this hand has position on me. He has either a diamond draw, or a made hand (one pair, most likely, the 7:s: probably didn't help or hurt him). My only option to win this hand is to blow him off it. I either check/fold or fire 50 dollars into the 60 dollar pot.

Wait... I somehow check/called a barely half-pot bet? Why would I do that? I only have at BEST 6 outs (again, discounted to 5 outs for the 6d), meaning a 12% chance to hit an out. I need something like 8:1 on my money to call.

River: Well there is my discounted out. V is 50/50 to have made a flush at this point based on how he is playing. I never should have been here. I check and make a crying call when he bets. I NEVER EVER BET/CAL. EVER.

Loud and clear, cheers