Playing live 1/2 NL at local South Texas card house

Buy in $300 ran up to $760
Pick up KK in the CO
$10 Hard Rock Straddle UTG($1500)
UTG Villain is generally a tighter player but normally sits at the 1/2/5 tables just calls $10..I have a LAG($400) to my right raises $25 I call $25 folds to UTG who raises $140 on top, LAG tank calls $140 on top I shove for $760 total..

Thoughts?

The limp-reraise is pretty bad news.That being said i dont blame you for going broke here.

Why arent we 3 betting the first time around by the way when the LAG opens to lol 25?

Isolating a lag in position with KK is better than going 5 ways with the worst relative position. As played smash it in

Villain shows up with AQ here which surprised me a bit I ran it in flopzilla and gives 68% equity vs 32%

EV calculation
(%W * $W) - (%L* $L) = EV

(.68 * 1850)= 1,258
(.32 * 760)= 243
1260-245 = 1,015
My EV of calling = $1,015

Am I doing this calculation correctly?

Oh forgot to mention we agreed to run it twice too flop comes 853r A on turn
Bottom flop comes two tone clubs and Villain spikes A on river

So you got unlucky here, got it in good but lost both boards.

Is this a bad beat story or what?

True my bad

Its obviously fine, even though you took a non-standard line.

Flatting the 3! Would be pretty bad.

Flatting the $25 is a mistake unless you have some reason to think UTG is going to reraise. Once he does the shove is standard, you have less then twice the point left. Villains will often misread your hand for a middle pair and call with worse.


The EV calculation is roughly right for the entire hand but I'm not sure where you got $1850 from. It should be somewhere around $1660. Your $760 + villain's $750 when he calls + $140 from lag, with some small difference from other money in the pot and rake. That sort of calculation isn't really that useful though because figuring your EV with knowledge about exactly which hand villain has will often be deceptive. Your EV when you are thinking about shoving during the hand will be very different because your playing the entire range of hands villain and LAG can have at that point.

That makes sense about the EV.. thanks

So looking back though, I guess just calling the $140 on top and peeling a flop 3 way action is the way to go if I’m not going to 4bet.

If villains are bad enough that might be the way to go. Against a villain with a clue they will notice that your calling a good chunk of your stack and be suspicious.

You can't be calling with the intent of bluffing on the flop because you will be bluffing into a hand that is never folding too often. Your paying too high of a price for any drawing hands. The good but not great hands like AK/JJ want to raise even more because they do so much better heads up.

It's hard to say what an optimal line is when you corrupt the hand taking such a non standard line to begin with. It's like asking how to play AA after x/c to the river. You should pretty much never be calling raises with KK. If you just auto-3bet this hand 100% of the time you will fare much better and the hand will play itself postflop.

It’s almost never a mistake to get it in on 76 bb effective with KK. In the rare times it is, you’ll know it because it’ll be the guy who show folds KK every time he gets them, calls an initial raise and sees an ace flop.

This being said, trapping up front is almost never a good play. And it’s worse when you’re up against a LAG. Put in the three bet pre in this scenario every single time


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Gotta get it in here, the limper is probably playing his range against the LAG's and your perceived weak flat, so he should be l/rr wider. If you did this to induce the limper, nice play.