Game 2/3 at local casino.
Hero $330 UTG TAG; Villain about $500 CO somewhat LAG
Hero under the gun with AJc raise to 12. 5 callers, roughly 60 in the pot. Flop comes 8c7c9h.
Hero bet out 30
Villain raise to $60.
Hero calls.
Turn is Ah. Hero checks and villain bets 100.
Hero?

Flat. What are you hoping to fold out? I doubt villain folds better so a semibluff seems pointless.

Flat turn, asses and shove river.

people love them some shoving!

We shove for value-get worse to call us

or

We shove as a bluff-get better to fold

Help me find one of each here

I hate the preflop raise. It didn't narrow the field at all, and now we're going to the flop 6ways where no-one has made any real mistake preflop, but we've bloated the pot to a size where almost any bet will build a pot that we'll have a difficult time getting away from TP (which is our most likely hand we'll make). I typically fold AJo in EP, and would typically open limp AJs. AJs plays fine multiway, let's just get into a pot for cheap and flop a great hand / draw against morons and go from there (typically check/folding to hardly any action). Otherwise, if we are going to raise, make a raise that will actually thin the field (although, to be honest, we're not in all that great a spot if we raise to $30 and get called and flop an A cuz often we'll have the worst hand). Open limping is your friend in games like this with hands that play well multiway. I'd much rather raise this hand if we were in LP and it looks like the pot isn't going to go multiway.

We've flopped a monster: the nut flush draw, a gutshot plus overcards. If the pot was smaller (i.e. limped) we could probably just lead out here to build a pot. But thanks to the preflop raise, the pot is already bloated, so no need to build a pot. This flop has likely hit a lot of people. So I'd just check/shove. Let people put in a bunch of dead money before we attempt to win this with A high, and if someone calls our shove, whatever, we're in decent shape against most hands.

Not sure a competent player ever minraises this drawy-as-hell flop, so my guess is our read is off. If I feel he's capable of folding, I probably just shove over his raise. I'm not so sure anyone who minraises a 6way flop is ever folding, so I probably just call with our tremendous odds and try to hit my hand (hoping that he'll do another lol bet size on the turn).

I'm not really sure how to handle the turn, to be honest.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Love GG's post and check/shove flop line and logic. As played... We have increased equity against his range and we're never folding and it is already HU I'm assuming. Open shove turn.

is it AcJc or AxJc?

C/shove ott or c/c turn and c/c hero river as played. Cant go wrong with 3bet flop and lead all-in on all turns. Doubt you are getting any folds from 2p, sets, made straights in llsnl. Only thing you get a fold from here IMO is tp/oesd type hands. If you 3bet flop as get 4bet all-in, u obv beat but can't really see u not getting it in. bink the a otr and crush his 2pr

Oh yeah, if its AxJc then turn is clear fold

Agree with GG's advice on what to do different. However, as played you have only one question to ask yourself.

If you don't improve on the river are you folding to villains river bet? With $158 behind on a pot of $538 (assuming villain shoves). That is better than 3.5:1. If you are sure enough you're beat then yes, just flat turn and hope for your card to hit. If you aren't going to fold river if a blank hits then just shove the turn.

Having a plan makes this choice much easier.... just calling and hoping he checks river through is not a plan. So make the choice, are you ready to stack of on this hand?

Let's assume he's got you beat, and you need either the straight or flush to win. 12 outs... you need a pot of 2.85:1 to call on your equity. Which you don't have. So, if you think that you are up against a set or better this is actually a fold. However, I think that there is a lot more in villains raise than that.

I'd call and look to improve or c/f river to a shove.

It is AcJc.

No fold equity. As played, call and make 30% value bet on river if you hit. If you brick, don't bluff. He is always calling.

Thanks for the feedback. I did flat the turn and shoved the river as I hit a 10c. Unfortunately, villain didn't call which is why I was wondering if there was a way to get more value. Guess I could have bet less on the river...He claimed he flopped bottom straight.

everybody playin aj oop...just saw another thread...