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Old 02-06-2014, 11:41 PM   #1
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Shove with full in two pair board

Hi, I have a hand that I dont know y its the right move.

Table 4/8 with 200bbs
Villan its a tight passive player.

I open raise in MP with Tc8c to 35 with 1 limper in UTG, 3 calls

Flop Ts9s9d UTG check I cbet 75 3 calls

Turn Th UTG check I bet 130 just UTG calls

River 3h UTG check I shove 600 push him all in UTG calls and shove me 99 Quads.

Its the shove in the river the right move? I put him in 99, 9x, Tx and think he maybe make a hero call with 9x thinking that my shove its a bluff.
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Old 02-06-2014, 11:48 PM   #2
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You are never folding your hand and the only hand that beats you is 99 and you are almost never solely putting him on 99.
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:42 AM   #3
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If v only had one 9, hes raising you otf. Shoving is bad otr because very few ppl will shove bluff there and even few ppl will bluff catch an all in bet. While its hard to put him on 99, i probably check back to chop with a ten and see his cards for info.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:00 AM   #4
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Shove river is good, you will get called by 9x from villains who talk themself into a call. I might bet $300 though but were calling a shove.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:12 AM   #5
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Re: Shove with full in two pair board

Is this 4/8 USD or another currency? Because 4/8 USD would be close to midstakes. Whether it is an an entry-level game or not makes a big difference.

I'd usually fold T8s preflop in MP over an EP limper. Too often we are going to be out of position against two ranges that both crush ours.

flop I would usually bet but I want a plan. What does it mean when each player calls, what does it mean when each player raises. We are betting flop for thin value -- it is unlikely someone has worse Tx because they called a preflop raise but we are getting value from draws and pocket underpairs. Some players I would happily bet/call against as their range would be far more draws than made hands, others I would snap fold to a raise from because it's always at least AT. With 3 callers I am just giving up unimproved.

Turn I'd probably bet more -- doubt you are getting called by any draws on a double paired board and with the action i doubt you are getting called by pocket pairs either. You are seeking value solely from 9x which, if it is calling 130 into 440, is probably calling 250-300 (especially having flopped trips -- many people are stubborn about folding when they had a nutty hand on an early street even if a later card is horrible for them)

River as played I think is a gross overbet -- the only worse hand you are getting called by is 9x, your bet sizing should reflect that, make it half pot at most. I would be bet/calling since a raise all-in is going to be Tx substantially more than the single combination of 99, we're calling to chop but easily have enough equity to do so.

In all it's a cooler but you could have played it a lot better at several points.
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Old 02-07-2014, 07:20 AM   #6
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Re: Shove with full in two pair board

Looks like you have only 100bbs. If that's the case just fold preflop.

I'd prefer check/evaluating flop. A bet is turning our hand into more of a bluff than it is a value bet. Our hand is essentially mid pair no kicker.

River is fine. Don't think he'd get away from 9x because of the missed draws.
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Old 02-07-2014, 11:46 AM   #7
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If v only had one 9, hes raising you otf. Shoving is bad otr because very few ppl will shove bluff there and even few ppl will bluff catch an all in bet. While its hard to put him on 99, i probably check back to chop with a ten and see his cards for info.
Solid.
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Old 02-07-2014, 01:20 PM   #8
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Shove river is good, you will get called by 9x from villains who talk themself into a call. I might bet $300 though but were calling a shove.
Where are you playing??? I want to come there because that is not standard
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:25 PM   #9
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Where are you playing??? I want to come there because that is not standard
Yeah agree, at the most you can squeeze out a small call from someone who slowplayed a 9. Not an all in for almost 80 bbs.
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Where are you playing??? I want to come there because that is not standard
I said might, and someone who levels themself into a call because they can't fold trips. It happens. I think betting like $300 is good.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:23 PM   #11
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Re: Shove with full in two pair board

Snowball2: yes I also think that if he had a 9x he probably raise me in the flop, but with the check in the river I think my hand its good enough to make a value bet.

Daniel9861, yes, you are right, effective stacks are near to 100bbs for the EP limper. Check in the flop?, That means that resign in the turn or river if one of them bet, So the better option is not to raise preflop. Yes I think too this it’s a right move, but in this table I thing I can balance my OR in EP or MP with these type of hands that has a good expectation postflop.

DKBarrel. Thanks for your respond . Yes the table its 4/8 do. I just see that maybe it’s not the right place to put this pots, sorry about that

I OR with these hand, because the EP limper usually have set mined in his range, maybe a broadway, but rarely have monsters and if he have it, cause is a pasive player I can outplayed easily postflop, plus he plays usually fit or fold postflop. The two callers behind me, wasn't expected.

Flop. In board Ts9s9d I think that if I check most of the times I have to surrender the hand, cause my hand isn't that good enough to play against 3 villains, and I think my hand has a little value against villains range, my plan was bet flop, If one or maybe two call, check almost any turn and evaluate river. If one of them raise me on the flop, depends of who do that, I evaluate, for example the last prefop caller was a very aggressive played who plays a lot of pots (almost 90%) maybe if he raise me, its more likely that he has a draw (included monster draws), but if the passive player raise, it was an easy fold.So I decided to bet half the pot. I wasn't expected that the 3 of them called me. I think the only villain who could have a 9x and slowplayed me cause my range isn’t strong enough to call a raise, and no one will call him a raise, it’s the first caller, when the another two villains call, I put them in a draws, like flush, straight, and monsters draws who don’t want to play with stacks because the texture on the board, It’s unlike to put one of them in a 9x cause I think they would raise. With the three callers I decided to resigned my hand if not improved.

Turn, my hand improve a lot, only one combo bet me 99. So I decided to bet small a little less than 1/3 pot cause as you say no draws could call this, and expected a call for 9x, and maybe TT-JJ from the EP (who it’s the only one could have that, rarely but could cause it’s a tight passive player) cause I think it’s difficult for the villains to put me in Tx hand, I think most times my hand looks like a bluff or and overpair and with a smaller bet seem that I want to control the pot with a block bet. When the EP call me, I reevaluate his range to TT-JJ and 9x, and he start to seem too strong to me and I’ll start to think in 99.

River, the pot its 700do and the EP only have 600, when he check I discart 99 I think that his hand have a showdown value , and he doesn’t want to put more money into the pot for control, so the range I put them was TT-JJ, and maybe a 9x that slowplay in the flop, I think that with 99 he would bet on the river, so my hand it’s too strong against his range to check behind, so I decided to bet, the question it’s about how much. I think I prefer to look that I polarized with a overbet cause If I bet half or 40% of the pot my hand looks like a value bet, and my plan was not to look like that.

I know it’s a cooler, but I ask it’s the play I Thought was right and if not, help me, was the way to played the hand

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