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1/2 , line check heads up against button 1/2 , line check heads up against button

10-08-2013 , 10:25 PM
Hero has about ($200) , BTN has $200

Preflop, Hero raises to $10 with AQo , BTN raises to $20 . Hero flats. Heads up.

Flop: AxQc4c

Hero is first to act . Hero checks.

What're your takes on this play? good/bad? reasons?
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10-08-2013 , 10:39 PM
I would lead out here. His button ranging range hits a lot of this flop and you should be trying to build the pot by betting close to pot OTT then shoving river.
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10-08-2013 , 10:58 PM
You really should have more info... If you have it put in the post if you don't things you should know are:

Your position
your image
Villains raising range
villains calling range on this board
etc.

Anyway, if he's aggressive I check call if he's loose passive I bet all three streets.

I don't always lead here because he could have re-raised with 99-jj here no problem and I've even seen guys do it worse, in this case he will probably continuation bet. If he is positionally aware he might have raised with a lot of suited connect type hands pre flop. In this case check and let him bluff into you if you lead he folds. You could also try a small bet like 10-15 trying to induce a bluff raise. It really depends on the villain.
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10-09-2013 , 12:42 AM
Fold pre unless villain is super LAG. Reason being...massive reverse implied odds.

I guess check the flop. Against a typical 1/2 3bet range, you're either getting very little here (KK, maybeeeee JJ) or losing a lot (AA, QQ). You'll get some money if he's one of the rare ones that 3 bets AK. I'd c/c flop to let him bluff with JJ/KK and probably lead any turn.

If you don't think he's capable of 3betting AK you might check turn as well. But really, fold pre.
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10-09-2013 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Fold pre unless villain is super LAG. Reason being...massive reverse implied odds.

I guess check the flop. Against a typical 1/2 3bet range, you're either getting very little here (KK, maybeeeee JJ) or losing a lot (AA, QQ). You'll get some money if he's one of the rare ones that 3 bets AK. I'd c/c flop to let him bluff with JJ/KK and probably lead any turn.

If you don't think he's capable of 3betting AK you might check turn as well. But really, fold pre.
I was thinking about this also given the min raise pre flop seems like AA KK which you either lose a lot or win nothing from.
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10-09-2013 , 11:29 AM
No reads on villain, I just sat down about 5 hands ago. Also no image on hero. He is about 28yr old white male. Hero is 22yr old white male.

Hero is cutoff.

OK, so according to you guys, if the villian doesn't 3bet AK in his range, I'm supposed to fold here. It seems that many 1/2 players over value AK and 3bet quite often with this hand. Is this something you'd agree with?
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10-09-2013 , 04:02 PM
I actually don't see players 3bet AK that often at 1/2. It happens, but without a reads, I'd assume a player is incapable of it. Readless this is an easy fold pre.
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10-09-2013 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
I actually don't see players 3bet AK that often at 1/2. It happens, but without a reads, I'd assume a player is incapable of it. Readless this is an easy fold pre.
Alright, sounds good. I guess I just need to figure out which villains are capable of 3 betting with AK.

Some more info about the table - the raises have been pretty large pre. $10 was on the lower end I'd say actually . This may be crucial to this hand since this puts AK in his range more of the time.
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10-09-2013 , 08:50 PM
What's all the fascination with whether or not villain 3bets AK? Considering you have AQ, I don't think adding AK to a 3bet range is going to help your equity much. There are plenty of villains (and, just as importantly, dynamics with those villains) that would make me flat or even 4b, but readless I think it's better to fold. You're OOP and have no idea what this dude's range is or what his tendencies are; do you think you'll be able to profitably navigate the RIO-infested waters of playing AQ in a 3b pot without initiative?

On the flop, you have a decent hand, but you'll usually be the loser if stacks go in unless this doofus is 3betting Axs and recklessly stacking off postflop any time he hits an A. I'd go for a c/c line on the flop, and lead turn if flop checks through. Any worse hand he might call with OTF he's even more likely to call with on a later street, and checking flop lets him c-bet his air.
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10-09-2013 , 09:23 PM
Wow. Nits all over this thread. I can't believe anyone is thinking about folding pre. You must play at very different 1-2 tables than I. I've seen button 3 bets from any two cards--small pairs, connectors suited or not, any broadway, etc. I'm never folding this pre to a button 3 bet unless I know the button is a rock.
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