$2-$2-$3 game.

UTG LAG player raises to $15 from EP. He's been on a MAJOR heater. Sat down with $200 and turned it into $2100 in about 2 hours, just shoving with draws and getting there and stacking other people who had better hands (before the river, of course). He previously called my $150 re raise with JJ before the flop with A3o.

UTG+1 calls $15. Hero looks down at AhKh - raises to $45.

Folds around to SB, who tanks a short while and calls $45. Now UTG original raiser makes it $185. UTG+1 folds.

Hero has about $80-$100 left with AhKh.

What's the right move here?

On one hand, yes, he's been playing loose, but any pocket pair is 8%-10% ahead of us right now.

Do we:

1) Fold; We forfeit our $45 and wait for better spots
2) Call $185, leaving an awkward $80-$100 behind and calling any bet on the board. This allows us to let the SB in if he wishes to call the $185 bet
3) Raise all-in?

Fist pump jam if this guy is really a lag. Still happy to GII most the time here vs an unknown

You say you have a draw here, but a lag can have a range of hands you are crushing here like KQs or AQ


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Easy shove


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But surely his 4 bet to $185 over my 3bet of $45 is some indication of strength? And not some pure spazz?

Would your answer be the same, if we say, for example, that he's doing this with mid-high pocket pair?

Easy shove. Pre should be alot more than 45

All in

Also $45 was too small, normally you would bet $60 or more

Vs his range, AKs is in really good shape and a +EV shove.

Normally this would be a pretty breakeven spot, since we are up against a range of QQ+, AK. However, given description of V, we could be up against 88+, AJo+, ATs+, KQo+, etc...

Basically, we are crushing many of the hands he stacks off with (eg AQ) and flipping with the others (88,99). Folding because he might have mid pp's is a big mistake because he may get us to fold AK by doing this with dominated hands.

Okay, I see, thanks for the explanation. I see your point.

How do I post the outcome of this hand? Edit the original post, or as a response?

Just as a response, but make sure to put it in spoiler...

Are you saying I should 4x it to $60 because of UTG+1 who called the V's $15 initial raise? Or should I always 4x the re-raise, when I choose to 3 bet?

Wouldn't a 4 bet to $60 from $15 be scaring away a lot of action from worse hands? I fear a $45 raise from $15 would only leave behind better hands..

Usually want to size 3x the original size plus 1x for each caller. So $60 here. More if I’m going to play the hand OoP.

Even though you lost you got it in as a 72%~ favorite and that's all that should matter.

Against any LAG I'm glad to GII with AKs. Against an unknown I have a little harder time.

hahah that's not what happened...I was just showing the new guy the ropes.

Yes because of the raise + call. If you make it 45$ and even only 1 of them decides to call. They are getting almost 3:1 (calling 30$ when the pot is 80$~ counting blinds). So even if he only has 25% equity here it wouldn't necessarily be a horrible call. Though there is more to think about here like reverse implied odds, how many players, etc and it isn't always the right call based on other factors as well..

but now look at the other player who hasn't called the 3bet yet. He's now calling 30$ when the pot is 110$ getting even better odds.

If you make it 60$, the first person has to call 45$ and the pot is 95$~. Meaning he is only getting 2:1 and needs a stronger hand to continue.

I've learned you can't worry about people folding if you size your bets correctly. If both fold oh well you get the dead money, and if you only get 1 caller that's great because usually you don't want to be multiway anyway.

RIP didn't realize you werent OP lol mb

i thought i read 300effective?

anyway, with your stack, putting a 3 bet and not ready to call a shove or shove any flop is a big leak.

Just about the same if he had 77 and most other smaller pocket pairs.

You already had 45$ in there. Even if he shoves 300$ you are only calling 255$ to win 620$~ (blinds + other guys call before he folds + your dead 45$). So you need at least 41% equity which you have against any pocket pair besides AA-KK. I'm never folding against this player. Against an OMC or other players it's possible but a spewy LAG? Shoving ALL DAY.