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Should this be a raise on any street? Should this be a raise on any street?

11-11-2018 , 07:16 PM
2/5

Hero: doesn't have much of an image just yet, showed down a chop with AK other than that hasn't been involved.

Villain: older woman only recently sat down hasn't played a hand yet.

MP: pretty fishy, plays too many hands and doesn't really get too tricky so was not too worried about him in this hand.

The hand: I find myself in similar spots often and am unsure whether to play them so passively. I think in this scenario I decided to play passively because of her strong ranging UTG but am open to advice on any street.

Villain UTG (500) raise to 25
MP (covers) call
Hero BB (500) call with JT(seems standard?)

Flop (77) K79

Checks all round

(I was considering a possibly check raising here but checks through. Thoughts?)

Turn (77) 7

H Check, V bets 45, MP call, H call

(was scared of the check raise now because of all the nutted possibilities in my opponents ranges)

River (212) T

H check, V bet 90, MP fold, hero???

(By this point I felt like I'd played the hand badly so was just looking for advice on all streets really)
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11-11-2018 , 07:25 PM
I wouldn't have been in the hand to begin with but since you were...

I would have smashed hard on the flop. Bounce if you get any play back/brick ect. unless you are looking for a flip.

Anything else puts you in marginal spots with no information, out of position. Unless you have some sort of self imposed challenge, why?


V: assuming we are stereotyping, I would make the assumption v=tight as fff, v from utg = tippy top of v's range. In short you are beat from the get. Why tango?

MP: straight forward baddie call station would be the only highlight of this hand, thus the only reason to even enter the pot would be to isolate and stack, problem is he didn't open and just flatted so he probably wouldn't even be going along anyway, so you have no idea where he is, no idea if he catches any flop no matter the texture, why put yourself in that situation?


Find a different spot.

Last edited by oneguestes; 11-11-2018 at 07:38 PM.
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11-11-2018 , 07:56 PM
Preflop and flop seem fine, although I don't mind a fold vs a 5x. This is probably the weakest hand we'd consider calling with.

Having the best relative position on the flop makes this better of a call preflop than if there was one limp and the button made it $25. I'd probably prefer a 3-bet or fold in that case.

Flop is standard. Would be a good check/raise candidate to rep a set/K9. Would be more safe if the K was a though.

Turn sucks, but should still be a lead for a healthy bet, imo. You want to fold out AQ-AT, QQ-TT type hands.

As played, turn call is ok.

River is kinda rough, probably just a check/fold.
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11-11-2018 , 08:21 PM
I’m going to have to call river as played. Almost certainly would have led turn.
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11-11-2018 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
I’m going to have to call river as played. Almost certainly would have led turn.
I just can't find any hand she would play this way as a bluff. If she wanted to bluff, why wouldn't she bet the flop.

This looks like KK/AK/AA/QQ/JJ a vast majority of the time.
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11-12-2018 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
Preflop and flop seem fine, although I don't mind a fold vs a 5x. This is probably the weakest hand we'd consider calling with.

Having the best relative position on the flop makes this better of a call preflop than if there was one limp and the button made it $25. I'd probably prefer a 3-bet or fold in that case.

Flop is standard. Would be a good check/raise candidate to rep a set/K9.
This exactly so far.

Leading turn or checkraising turn would both be fine. Very hard for your opponent to have anything that can stand a checkraise, while you are pretty much uncapped having potentially missed a checkraise on flop with 99 or 77, or having hit gin with A7s/87s/76s.

River folding is fine, a checkraise is also an option. I think calling is pretty hopeless, we only beat bluffs and nothing about V's line resembles a bluff.
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11-12-2018 , 04:28 AM
Meh, seems okay to me. Fold river.
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11-12-2018 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by touchmyflop
2/5

Hero: doesn't have much of an image just yet, showed down a chop with AK other than that hasn't been involved.

Villain: older woman only recently sat down hasn't played a hand yet.

MP: pretty fishy, plays too many hands and doesn't really get too tricky so was not too worried about him in this hand.

The hand: I find myself in similar spots often and am unsure whether to play them so passively. I think in this scenario I decided to play passively because of her strong ranging UTG but am open to advice on any street.

Villain UTG (500) raise to 25
MP (covers) call
Hero BB (500) call with JT(seems standard?)

Flop (77) K79

Checks all round

(I was considering a possibly check raising here but checks through. Thoughts?)

Turn (77) 7

H Check, V bets 45, MP call, H call

(was scared of the check raise now because of all the nutted possibilities in my opponents ranges)

River (212) T

H check, V bet 90, MP fold, hero???

(By this point I felt like I'd played the hand badly so was just looking for advice on all streets really)
I would , not reccomend the check on flop you have flush draw plus gotter , i would hit all 3 streets with OP sizing, your hand was so good on flop also not bad trun you can represent alot there , but on way you played the hand only fine to me there is that fold on river
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11-12-2018 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
I just can't find any hand she would play this way as a bluff. If she wanted to bluff, why wouldn't she bet the flop.

This looks like KK/AK/AA/QQ/JJ a vast majority of the time.
I agree. your V has you beat. the only question is, how badly? That is an odd bet on the river considering that QJ and 86 both got there. Can't tell if your V was resigned to calling it off if she got raised or if she would fold.
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11-12-2018 , 01:07 PM
Not leading turn is criminal IMO.

Rest is fine. Fold river
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11-12-2018 , 11:28 PM
Thanks for the advice guys.

Result:

I called it off which I now hate but... she shows us AQ so we found the one of maybe two combos that she could be bluffing here. Woo!
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