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Old 02-13-2019, 10:36 PM   #1
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Should I have called with a set on a monotone board?

This is a $1/3 game.

Several callers, I limp behind with 44 in MP.

Flop: Js-4s-2s. I flop middle set.

TAG bets $25, I reraise to $50, button pushes all-in for $85, Tag tanks for a long time, and pushes all-in for $200. I put TAG on a baby flush. I fold.

Did I have the pot odds to call if I put him a a flush?

Turn: Jd River Td. I would have made a boat. Button had a missed flush draw, TAG had a baby flush 5 high.

Thanks for your feedback!

Last edited by TERMlNATOR; 02-13-2019 at 10:38 PM. Reason: I had a set, not trips.
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:03 PM   #2
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Re: Should I have called with a set on a monotone board?

Yes, for that price I believe you need to call. Figure out the $$ to call vs the pot size. Pretty close to even if he showed you a flush you're still calling.
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Old 02-13-2019, 11:30 PM   #3
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Re: Should I have called with a set on a monotone board?

I see you've now made two posts asking about pot odds.

(Amount you have to call) / [(Amount in the pot) + (Amount you have to call)]

Lets say $15 total pot pre. $335(200+85+50) goes in the middle on the flop, and you have to call $150 more. So 150/(15+335+150). You need 30% equity to call. Although, the math gets a little more complicated here with part of the pot only being played heads up.

I'm not folding. Below are a few different spots and the odds, but vs ranges I think it's a call.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
2,970 trials (Exhaustive)
board: J42
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4434.44% 1,0230
KsQs65.56% 1,9470

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
2,709 trials (Exhaustive)
board: J42
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4434.44% 9330
6s5s46.62% 1,2630
AsKh18.94% 5130

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
2,709 trials (Exhaustive)
board: J42
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4430.12% 8160
KsQs44.96% 1,2180
AsJd24.92% 6750

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation
8,127 trials (Exhaustive)
board: J42
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4423.59% 1,9170
224.54% 3690
AsKs71.87% 5,8410
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:12 AM   #4
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Re: Should I have called with a set on a monotone board?

Yea you should call here. As a general rule, don’t fold sets on the flop when you or your opponent start the hand with less than $300 (100 big blinds). Given that your opponents will very rarely have JJ here, you should be calling. Also don’t post the results in your first post as results can bias the feedback you get.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:58 AM   #5
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Re: Should I have called with a set on a monotone board?

persianpunisher, Thank you for your detailed analysis and results. I do need to work on my math, and you've helped a lot.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:57 AM   #6
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Re: Should I have called with a set on a monotone board?

Yeah, sets vs straights & flushes are 34%. Flush draws + gutshots are also around 34% vs sets. You need pot odds of 2:1 to call. It's important to know the equities in spots like these, most people don't so it's just one more edge you can have over them.
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Old 02-14-2019, 10:07 AM   #7
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Re: Should I have called with a set on a monotone board?

could raise this hand pre-flop if you're in MP, other than that can't say anything that wasn't already said
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Old 02-16-2019, 12:28 AM   #8
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Re: Should I have called with a set on a monotone board?

Looks fine. Tag should have only flushes for shove. Maybe kk, aa with flush draw is theoretically possible as well but shod b3 discounted hard
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Old 02-16-2019, 06:13 AM   #9
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Re: Should I have called with a set on a monotone board?

If its a decision that's not clear cut i'm gonna lean towards folding against unknown players or people who arent maniacs. I'm still really new to the thinking aspect of this game but it seems like one of them has a flush so often that you're gonna have to pair the board to win. Against just the first player with 80 something I'm snap calling. Two players is twice the odds i'm beat.
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