33 vs XX vs XX

1/2 NLHE HARRAH. 4/11/17

Utg+1: black guy. Corn-rolled hair. Said he was 30y. Super loose. He called my all-in pre w/ 75 suited against my 99 after I shoved his raised straddle. Gambler. He even mentions it earlier and has shown many hands to do so.

MP: white male. Mid 30s. Bald. Sat next to me in the 4 seat. In one hand he folded AJ on J 6 4 3 3r board against Utg+1 player (shown above) after investing 2/3 his stack. Utg+1 showed A3. I labeled the man as a TAG player. Didn't think he would ever get out of line.

UTG+1 raises to 10. MP raises to 25. Im in the SB w/ 33 and FOLD. Utg+1 calls Flop: 6 4 3 spade draw. UTG+1 leads out 20. MP raises to 70. Utg+1 folds.

--Is this a spot where we should be calling pre? - even after knowing how tight of a player and image he has. I put him on aces or kings. My reason for folding was that most of the times I will be folding post-flop. I was also worried of a 4-bet from UTG+1.

Stack sizes are imperative to answer this question.

Effective stack size is the decisive factor here. Obv you are behind Mp:s 3bet range. So you need to be deep enough to set mine to even consider a call.

What's UTG+1's 4-bet pct? I always have to consider that before I make this decision.

This is the correct answer. You hit a set 1/8 times. 33 can also be set-over-setted so let's give a little bit extra room in case a cooler happens. Call it 10x. If effective stacks sizes let you win something like 10x the amount you need to call, then it's a call.


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I'd want more than 10x, because even given player descriptions and the 3-bet pot, we aren't always getting stacks if we hit either. I'd be looking for 15x.

Forgot to include that. We were all sitting w/ roughly 500+.

We all sit 500+

Didn't see him once 4-bet a pot.

Obviously this is a fold. At pretty much any stack size. You're just being results oriented because a 3 hit the flop.

UTG+1 RFI, and MP 3bet. Idc if there both loose and positionally unaware, this hand is going to under-realize its equity so hard if you call. This isn't really even a close decision imo. If you were in position, you could probably make an argument for a call at some stack depth, but it'd still be pretty deep. 10x is not an acceptable rule of thumb for playing in the SB facing a UTG +1 3bet from MP.

utg+1 and bb can still raise. stacks don't really matter this is a fold from worst position.

I'm more likely to call in that spot if a villain probably has aces or kings. Still a super easy fold against a 3-bet in that spot though.